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Does Global Warming Theory Predict Record Cold?
Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:49am  
No


http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/01/does-global-warming-theory-predict-record-co...

Record cold from global warming causing 'polar vortex'
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a recent paper finds no evidence of any unusual or unprecedented changes in the latitude or speed of the North Atlantic jet stream over the past 142 years since 1871. Another paper confirms there is no evidence that climate change has slowed the jet stream or increased frequency of jet stream blocking.


http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/record-cold-due-to-global-warming.h...
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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:52am  
It would seem the AGW loons predicting the field (selecting every possible senario of weather and saying 'see its climate change') gig is up.

The goal post are going to be staying in one place from now on thank you very much. No more of their BS.
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:58am  
Run away as much as you like, the globe is heating up.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/05/go-home-arctic-youre-drunk/
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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:08am  
There are no predictions of cold weather from the global warming cult, they are furiously trying to enter those predictions now because of the cold weather but you'll find that prior to a couple of years ago there were no predictions of cold weather from the global warming cult, only heat.
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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 12:54pm  
"you'll find that prior to a couple of years ago there were no predictions of cold weather from the global warming cult, only heat."

Well I can remember the predictions of the UK becoming a lot colder, but then again I have a reasonable memory
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Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:08pm  
You mean the 'global cooling' scare of the seventies?
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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:28pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:49am:
No



Yes


A warming globe caused by climate change has more extreme weather.  Extreme hot, cold, drought, floods.

But overall the climate is warmer.


In physics heat = energy.
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Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:29pm  
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:08am:
There are no predictions of cold weather from the global warming cult, they are furiously trying to enter those predictions now because of the cold weather but you'll find that prior to a couple of years ago there were no predictions of cold weather from the global warming cult, only heat.


Did you miss Al Gore's movie, or even the hollywood blockbuster "the day after tomorrow".

You need to get out more.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:47pm  
Its all heat engines: no heat no weather no climate!
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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:50pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:52am:
It would seem the AGW loons predicting the field (selecting every possible senario of weather and saying 'see its climate change') gig is up.

The goal post are going to be staying in one place from now on thank you very much. No more of their BS.



They'll still spin their BS.  It's what they do best.


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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:57pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:52am:
It would seem the AGW loons predicting the field (selecting every possible senario of weather and saying 'see its climate change') gig is up.

The goal post are going to be staying in one place from now on thank you very much. No more of their BS.



They'll still spin their BS.  It's what they do best.


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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm  
I can never tell who is believing what on this site.

The sarcasm is strong in this one Luke
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm  

You deniers dont have a leg to stand on here.


Youve made up the claim the global warming cant produce cold weather. Totally made it up. No scientist has ever said that.   

In fact many scientists have said that global warming will produce a climate of extreme weather, hot and cold.

To claim ignorance of that is to claim ignorance of Al Gore's "An inconvenient truth", which you all see to love to quote when it suits you.  Didnt that movie predice a northern hemisphere snowball ?
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Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:34pm  
9-11 happened! Disintegration of system happens! System corrupts man!
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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:49pm  
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:28pm:
A warming globe caused by climate change has more extreme weather.  Extreme hot, cold, drought, floods.



But according to the IPCC-

'Higher (increasing) minimum temperatures; fewer cold days, frost days, and cold waves over nearly all land areas (very likely)

• Decreased cold-related human morbidity and mortality [4.7]
• Decreased risk of damage to a number of crops, and increased risk to others [4.2]
• Extended range and activity of some pest and disease vectors [4.2 and 4.3]
• Reduced heating energy demand [4.5]

https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/climate-changes-2001/synthesis-syr/english/wg2-summary-policymakers.pdf

Not greater cold extremes.
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Reply #15 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:19pm  
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:28pm:
A warming globe caused by climate change has more extreme weather.  Extreme hot, cold, drought, floods.



But according to the IPCC-

'Higher (increasing) minimum temperatures; fewer cold days, frost days, and cold waves over nearly all land areas (very likely)

• Decreased cold-related human morbidity and mortality [4.7]
• Decreased risk of damage to a number of crops, and increased risk to others [4.2]
• Extended range and activity of some pest and disease vectors [4.2 and 4.3]
• Reduced heating energy demand [4.5]

https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/climate-changes-2001/synthesis-syr/english/wg2-summary-policymakers.pdf

Not greater cold extremes.


Ever heard of turbulence? Such things are termed non linear as we haven't all the equations to solve all the variables!

Jet stream oscillations, like el nino and other recognised psuedo-systems, are only sort of understood!

Like economics... it gets complicated unless you're in the business of feigning and/or demanding certainty!

Business is business and we all know how to place a bet! The economic lie that ripping the kids off is productive cannot live...

SPECIFICALLY: where does it say cold snaps can't happen?  Cheesy
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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:21pm  
Does Global Warming Theory Predict Record Cold?

Yes it does.
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:28pm  
Dnarever wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:21pm:
Does Global Warming Theory Predict Record Cold?

Yes it does.

Link...na
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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:51pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:21pm:
Does Global Warming Theory Predict Record Cold?

Yes it does.

Link...na



Link - Why don't you know anything ?

Climate change is displayed in extreme weather conditions in all directions.

Hot cold droughts floods, The expectation is for an increase in extremes - all of them including cold.
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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm  
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.
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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm  
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.




You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin
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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:45pm  
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.



Give them a chance to make one up, move the goal posts, and then get back to you.
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Reply #22 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:01pm  
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.




You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin


If you have no idea about the basics this is a good start:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-effects-of-climate-chang...

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Reply #23 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:07pm  
Funny that people with such strong opinions on the topic don't even have a basic understanding of the subject.
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:08pm  
Does that include the IPCC?

' No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.'

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session36/p36_doc3_approved_spm.pdf

But they have high confidence in the warming. If climate sensitivity to CO2 is so uncertain, how can you have high confidence in an outcome?
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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:29pm  
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Does that include the IPCC?

' No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.'

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session36/p36_doc3_approved_spm.pdf

But they have high confidence in the warming. If climate sensitivity to CO2 is so uncertain, how can you have high confidence in an outcome?


You cant. Its purely a guess at this stage
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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:33pm  
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.




You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin



                                         Shocked


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-08/in-pictures-us-weather-when-hell-froze...
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Reply #27 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:04pm  
Here you go, for those than can think.
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Reply #28 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:06pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Does that include the IPCC?

' No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.'

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session36/p36_doc3_approved_spm.pdf

But they have high confidence in the warming. If climate sensitivity to CO2 is so uncertain, how can you have high confidence in an outcome?


You cant. Its purely a guess at this stage



Aint that the truth!
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Reply #29 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:47pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Does that include the IPCC?

' No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.'

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session36/p36_doc3_approved_spm.pdf

But they have high confidence in the warming. If climate sensitivity to CO2 is so uncertain, how can you have high confidence in an outcome?


You cant. Its purely a guess at this stage


Well, if a major satellite that was due to contribute to that data failed to reach orbit, then  trying to define that particular parameter would be a guess, wouldn't it?

No data, so they don't guess. Sounds like an honest response to me. I notice that you don't provide the context.
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Reply #30 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:51pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:33pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.




You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin



                                         Shocked


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-08/in-pictures-us-weather-when-hell-froze...






Bit of a subtle message for the desperate conservatives.
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Reply #31 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:55pm  
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin


Well, it looks like you waited an hour for DNA to provide a link, and I don't believe in Hell, but if you do, then maybe you could check it if has frozen over yet.
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Reply #32 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:57pm  
Dnarever wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:33pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
The heading says RECORD COLD.

Please provide a link of scientists predicting RECORD COLD.




You will be waiting till hell freezes over for that link  Grin



                                         Shocked


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-08/in-pictures-us-weather-when-hell-froze...






Bit of a subtle message for the desperate conservatives.



There's not enough Don Henley in this forum.
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Reply #33 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
There's not enough Don Henley in this forum.



Finally something that we agree on. Desperado is one of my favourites. I can play most of the Eagles numbers, and can sing most these days as long as they transpose them down a couple of notches. I can sing Desperado in the original G.

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Reply #34 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 8:32pm  
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
There's not enough Don Henley in this forum.



Finally something that we agree on. Desperado is one of my favourites. I can play most of the Eagles numbers, and can sing most these days as long as they transpose them down a couple of notches. I can sing Desperado in the original G.

Looks like you drew the Queen of Diamonds once too often, boy.



I can see you ...
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Reply #35 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 9:58pm  
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:47pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Does that include the IPCC?

' No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.'

http://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session36/p36_doc3_approved_spm.pdf

But they have high confidence in the warming. If climate sensitivity to CO2 is so uncertain, how can you have high confidence in an outcome?


You cant. Its purely a guess at this stage


Well, if a major satellite that was due to contribute to that data failed to reach orbit, then  trying to define that particular parameter would be a guess, wouldn't it?

No data, so they don't guess. Sounds like an honest response to me. I notice that you don't provide the context.



When the IPCC don't provide context, neither can I. Are you second guessing the IPCC?

This is what they said "because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.' "
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Reply #36 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:32am  
All govts involved must agree what goes in the reports: this is why all estimates are conservative!

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Reply #37 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:17am  
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:32am:
All govts involved must agree what goes in the reports: this is why all estimates are conservative!

Cheesy



What does that have to do with failed satellites?
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Reply #38 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 4:04pm  
lee wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:17am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:32am:
All govts involved must agree what goes in the reports: this is why all estimates are conservative!

Cheesy



What does that have to do with failed satellites?

In other words, it is not just a guess, it is purely political. IPCC is pathetic.
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Reply #39 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 11:32pm  
lee wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:17am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:32am:
All govts involved must agree what goes in the reports: this is why all estimates are conservative!

Cheesy



What does that have to do with failed satellites?

It was a general comment!
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Reply #40 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 11:34pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
lee wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:17am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:32am:
All govts involved must agree what goes in the reports: this is why all estimates are conservative!

Cheesy



What does that have to do with failed satellites?

In other words, it is not just a guess, it is purely political. IPCC is pathetic.

All human relations is politics: don't you read!??!
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General Comment - We salute you. Wink
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