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Reply #75 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 1:33pm
 
# wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
You see, greggerypeccary, asking the question of one who isn't qualified to answer proves nothing except your dishonesty.



Ah, no: it proves that there is no credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis.

But we'd already established that, so not sure why you felt the need to go over it again.

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Reply #76 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
# wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 10:52am:
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There is no credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis.
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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise, it seems, and they're supported by every body of reputable scientists on the planet.

You see, greggerypeccary, asking the question of one who isn't qualified to answer proves nothing except your dishonesty. Your demand for 100% certainty, however, does prove that you know even less than I. Your absolute certainty gives further evidence of your ignorance.

# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
What are your qualifications, such that you can judge that they don't have the data for that level of confidence?




I'm not a gullible fool.
There's no evidence to support that assertion.



That's pretty rich coming from someone who actually believes that AGW is a scientific fact.
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When did I ever say anything of the sort?

I accept the judgement of the vast majority of the best qualified. Judgement on which no organisation of reputable scientists disagrees. Does that mean that I believe it's " a scientific fact"? That's a product of a Conservative's binary mindset.

It will probably be difficult for you to grasp, but I don't see the world in binaries (black/white; true/false; good/evil). Mine is a world of probabilities; nuance.

You're uncomfortable with the 95-100% certainty that global warming is anthropogenic. You demand 100%.

You need the binary. I'm quite comfortable with the probability. For me, 95-100% is not an unbearable level of uncertainty, as it evidently is for you
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If only the "qualified" are entitled to comment  or have an opinion on such matters because on your reasoning others incapable of understanding and you yourself fall into that category then, in your own opinion, as far as science goes you don't know shy it from caviar. 
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Reply #77 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
namnugenot wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
If only the "qualified" are entitled to comment  or have an opinion on such matters because on your reasoning others incapable of understanding and you yourself fall into that category then, in your own opinion, as far as science goes you don't know shy it from caviar. 



As evinced in the majority of his posts.

His belief in AGW is based purely on faith and consensus.

Unfortunately, for him, neither are part of the scientific method.


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Reply #78 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 1:33pm:
Ah, no: it proves that there is no credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW heliocentric hypothesis theory.



Fixed. I'm sure you won't mind denying that the Earth orbits around the Sun (not the exact centre of the sun). After all, it's another hypothesis theory that we can demonstrate with roughly similar certainty.

It's only 99% certain!  That's in the same range as AGW (95-99%).

Let's add a few more:

Smoking cigarettes increases the risk of fatal lung cancer.
Dioxins are poisonous.
As an average (say) 90kg man, if you eat 2.4kg of sugar as a single dose within say 15 minutes, you will die. (would you risk that?) *(Actually, see the footnote)

Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it. And because of basic physics, we are 99 percent certain that carbon dioxide traps heat in what is called the greenhouse effect.

What brings it down to "95-99%",  is short term natural variation.

* By the way, if you are 90kg and would be happy to consume 2.4kg of sugar, then your chance of dying as a result of that is only 50%.  Would you do it knowing that? What if you were offered $1 million. Would you do it now? a 50% chance of collecting your winnings is much better that a 1-5 % chance isn't it?   What if we increased it to the LD95 concentration - around 4.8kg ? No?

Why not? It's not 100% certain that you will die. There is still a 5% chance that you will survive. And of course, we all know about the worldwide conspiracy of toxicologists. They are scientists after all. Maybe it's more than a 5% chance.

- and then you can find studies that the average Australian consumes 41kg of sugar every year.  At least some of them must eat 2.4kg in a single hit (and survive).

In truth it's all sugary-toxicist propaganda. Sugar provides energy. What would happen if we had zero blood sugar? We'd die, wouldn't we?

- and sugar is all natural. It's nonsense to say that it's dangerous.
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Reply #79 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
Greg's weak spot is the cloud debate! Then Andrei comes along and pretends he has the gravitas to not have to supply sources!

Well, apart from all the other weak spots  Cool
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Reply #80 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you actually believe the crap that you type in this forum?




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Reply #81 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you believe the crap that you type in this forum?




So are you saying that 99% means infallible? Can you clarify that a bit?
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Reply #82 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
Finally, Greggy doesn't like questions along the lines of, "How do you measure a complex system!"

This would lead to questions about the disintegration of system which Greggy cannot allow as he reckons the status quo can't be improved even tho that goes against the whole principle of manufacturing and thus the world we all live in, planet accountants included!

Keep it dark say all the crims of this world.... Infantacide and paedophilia all refer to the same thing: the lie cannot live and thus revolution becomes a word!

Tom Hanks was on Dave Letterman the other day saying there was only one theme!! ...

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Reply #83 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you believe the crap that you type in this forum?




So are you saying that 99% means infallible? Can you clarify that a bit?



Your comprehension skills aren't that good either.

Now you're confusing the method with the results.

You're assuming that your method is infallible.

I'm not talking about the results.

So, do you honestly believe this crap that you type, or are you just trolling?

I'm hoping for the latter, but I'm a little worried that you actually are that gullible.




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Reply #84 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you believe the crap that you type in this forum?




So are you saying that 99% means infallible? Can you clarify that a bit?

Greggy won't entertain systems of measurement as it means improvement of said systems becomes an issue and he can't admit improvement of anything can be realised Cool
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Reply #85 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you believe the crap that you type in this forum?




So are you saying that 99% means infallible? Can you clarify that a bit?



Your comprehension skills aren't that good either.

Now you're confusing the method with the results.

You're assuming that your method is infallible.

I'm not talking about the results.

So, do you honestly believe this crap that you type, or are you just trolling?

I'm hoping for the latter, but I'm a little worried that you actually are that gullible.





You imply improvement of method is possible! That is your epitaph son!

Thanx for playing!  Cheesy
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Reply #86 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:17pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Greg's weak spot is the cloud debate!



When it comes to AGW, Greg doesn't have a weak spot.

Every single disciple of the Climate Church has come off second best when trying to debate me.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.




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Reply #87 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:17pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Greg's weak spot is the cloud debate!



When it comes to AGW, Greg doesn't have a weak spot.

Every single disciple of the Climate Church has come off second best when trying to debate me.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.





Greggy can't face facts! Greggy hates the cloud debate!!  Shocked
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Reply #88 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:17pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Greg's weak spot is the cloud debate!



When it comes to AGW, Greg doesn't have a weak spot.

Every single disciple of the Climate Church has come off second best when trying to debate me.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.





Greggy can't face facts! Greggy hates the cloud debate!!  Shocked



Excellent comeback.  No, really.


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Reply #89 - Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
muso wrote on Jan 12th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Through the use of radioactive isotopes, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it.



You're assuming that radioactive isotopes are infallible.

Using your "logic", I can safely say that through the use of Bill Clinton's evidence, we are more than 99% sure that he never had sexual relations with that woman.

Seriously, do you believe the crap that you type in this forum?




So are you saying that 99% means infallible? Can you clarify that a bit?



Your comprehension skills aren't that good either.

Now you're confusing the method with the results.

You're assuming that your method is infallible.




How do you reconcile that with my statement that it's 99% certain.  I'll ask you again. Do you consider that >99% means infallible? - because it certainly sounds that way.

Let's dissect what I said:

Through the use of radioactive isotopes
(the method)
, we are more than 99 percent sure that much of the carbon in the air has human fingerprints on it. 
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