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Reply #46 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:28am:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:57am:
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I'm denying the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis
If there's no such evidence, then bodies of reputable scientists will have said so.



Really?

Can you substantiate that claim?


Don’t know much, do you? Scientists are ALWAYS trying to prove each other! Try reading up on the scientific method.
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Reply #47 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:07am
 
This news from NASA 1999

'The flip-flop from cold to warm happens every few years, according to Shindell. But over the past 30 years, he said, the system has tended more toward strong winds and warming. And even during colder periods, temperatures have risen by several degrees. "Since the cycle is a natural phenomena," said Shindell, scientists have to ask, "is the increased warming part of the natural oscillation, or are humans causing the warming?" /

' "If we include the stratosphere in the climate model, we're finding that the increasing greenhouse gases lead to an enhanced polar vortex," said Shindell. It is the strengthened polar vortex that drives winds all the way from the stratosphere to the lower atmosphere, creating stronger westerlies and increasing the warm periods of the Arctic Oscillation, said Shindell. A realistic representation of the stratosphere, including the polar vortex, is typically not included in climate models. These results suggest that the impact of global warming may therefore be incompletely represented by most current models, with this altered circulation effect making for greater regional warming during wintertime.

Shindell's model predicts that if greenhouse gases continue to increase, winter in the Northern Hemisphere will continue to warm. "In our model, we're seeing a very large signal of global warming and it's not a naturally occurring thing. It's most likely linked to greenhouse gases," he said. '

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/19990602/
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Reply #48 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:13am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:55am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:28am:
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:57am:
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I'm denying the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis
If there's no such evidence, then bodies of reputable scientists will have said so.



Really?

Can you substantiate that claim?


Don’t know much, do you? Scientists are ALWAYS trying to prove each other! Try reading up on the scientific method.



I'll take that as a 'no' from you.

What about you, #, anything yet?


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Reply #49 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:17am
 
from wiki-

'2002–2003 was an unusually cold winter in the Northern and Eastern USA.
2010–2011, persistent bitter cold in the entire eastern half of the USA from December onward, with few or no mid-winter warm-ups, and with cool conditions continuing into spring. La Niña and negative Arctic oscillation were strong factors. Heavy and persistent precipitation contributed to almost constant snow cover in the Northeastern US which finally receded in early May.'

So papers warning of cooling in winter from 2012 and 2013 are certainly projections based on hindcasting.
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Reply #50 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:24am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Don’t know much, do you? Scientists are ALWAYS trying to prove each other! Try reading up on the scientific method.



Actually they try to DISPROVE each other in the Scientific method. In the Pseudo-Scientific Method on the other hand......
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Reply #51 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:48pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 11:24am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Don’t know much, do you? Scientists are ALWAYS trying to prove each other! Try reading up on the scientific method.



Actually they try to DISPROVE each other in the Scientific method. In the Pseudo-Scientific Method on the other hand......

Throw in the phrase null hypothesis and youVe got yourself a party!  Shocked
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Reply #52 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 2:51pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:56am:
Shock as it's cold and wet here in winter.
That's never happened before you know.

Its the pr guy who cant post links yet  Grin
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Reply #53 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:06pm
 
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:57am:
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I'm denying the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis
If there's no such evidence, then bodies of reputable scientists will have said so. Just link to them, greggerypeccary.

You aren't pretending to be better qualified than all those scientists, are you, greggerypeccary? What are your qualifications, greggerypeccary?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:28am:
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Really?

Can you substantiate that claim?
Is it a "claim" or is it an opinion?

Isn't testing hypotheses part of scientific method? If a hypothesis is based on no "credible, reliable evidence", as you say, then why would you expect all bodies of reputable scientists to keep silent? Are you subscribing to lunatic conspiracy theories?
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Reply #54 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:10pm
 
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:57am:
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I'm denying the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis
If there's no such evidence, then bodies of reputable scientists will have said so. Just link to them, greggerypeccary.

You aren't pretending to be better qualified than all those scientists, are you, greggerypeccary? What are your qualifications, greggerypeccary?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:28am:
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Really?

Can you substantiate that claim?
Is it a "claim" or is it an opinion?

Isn't testing hypotheses part of scientific method? If a hypothesis is based on no "credible, reliable evidence", as you say, then why would you expect all bodies of reputable scientists to keep silent? Are you subscribing to lunatic conspiracy theories?



Your answer of 'no' has been accepted.

Thank you.


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Reply #55 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:57am:
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I'm denying the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis
If there's no such evidence, then bodies of reputable scientists will have said so. Just link to them, greggerypeccary.

You aren't pretending to be better qualified than all those scientists, are you, greggerypeccary? What are your qualifications, greggerypeccary?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:28am:
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Really?

Can you substantiate that claim?
Is it a "claim" or is it an opinion?

Isn't testing hypotheses part of scientific method? If a hypothesis is based on no "credible, reliable evidence", as you say, then why would you expect all bodies of reputable scientists to keep silent? Are you subscribing to lunatic conspiracy theories?


Your answer of 'no' has been accepted.
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Nice try, but it's yet another of your lies, greggerypeccary. Just another of your attempts to distract.

In your own words, you deny "the existence of credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis". Does any body of reputable scientists agree with you?

Given that the scientists report 95 to 100% confidence that global warming is Anthropogenic, what do you think you see that they are missing? Are you pretending to be better qualified, smarter or wiser than all those scientists?  What are your qualifications, greggerypeccary?

Are you saying that the vast majority of the best qualified are collaborating in some grand conspiracy? Are you saying that every body of reputable scientists is colluding with them?

These are simple questions, greggerypeccary. Surely, given your certainty that there is no "credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis", you can give simple, honest answers.
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Reply #56 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
For those who have a brain, the cold snap in US/UK explained:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017168491
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Reply #57 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:04pm
 
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:35pm:
Surely, given your certainty that there is no "credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis", ...



Absolutely certain.

Otherwise you would have presented some by now.

Check mate.


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Reply #58 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
# wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:35pm:
These are simple questions, greggerypeccary. Surely, given your certainty that there is no "credible, reliable evidence to support the AGW hypothesis", you can give simple, honest answers.


You know the one that really causes me to laugh every time?

- when they say something like - but water is the most important greenhouse gas - have they taken that into account?

It's a bit like sitting on the dentist chair and saying. When you drill my teeth, it hurts. Have you taken that into account?

No anasthetic for you, Bubba. 

I was reviewing the plans for a major gas project today.  Now that the government is scrapping the carbon tax, this Big Oil company wouldn't be interested in accounting for Greenhouse gases. Right?  Wrong. It's part of their policy.

Not only that, but the plans take into account the effects of climate change over the next 50 years at least.

We're talking about something that is universally accepted by professionals planning for major projects.
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Reply #59 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
We're talking about something that is universally begrudgingly accepted by professionals planning for major projects in order to appease their shareholders.



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