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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21641 Gender:	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #240 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39am Yes, The selling of the world is headed for an ice age/ the world is suffering from AGW. Just gotta sell the concept.
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Reply #241 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:46am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:05pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:51am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:27am:

Rider wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:06am:

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:31am:

In terms of doctor's - who would you go to for cancer -GP, Psychiatrist, Proctologist or Oncologist?

Or maybe an Australian mammalogist, palaeontologist, environmentalist and global warming activist.....none other than our very own dud Professor Timbo Flim-Flam-Flannery

Note no 'climate' or medical qualifications, but that won't matter as long as you are on the gravy train Wink

Have you compared the so called "gravy train" in climate science that you refer to with the global Fossil fuel industry ?

Gee I wonder which one of these two has most to lose?

Incidentally the fossil fuel corporations have already accepted the Climate science, by making a joint public statement over a decade ago. In fact during that press release, they strongly recommended URGENT action on a global scale in order to mitigate the effects of climate change.

You are very very very alone Rider

Hilarious watching you squirm and cringe with your persistent lies and amateur spin doctoring extracted from B-rated crack pot web sites that are designed to net paranoid freak maggot fascists.

I'd say climate scientists have the most to lose. The fossil fuel industry is based on a physical product, where as climate science is based on a concept.

Are you sure you wish to associate yourself with that statement

astonishing!

Yes, i do. And it's still true.

And you're so right to do so! There is no data, no physics or chemistry and that kind of baloney, concepts, that's all they have!

Well in the context of who has the most to lose, yes.
Research scientists are paid in grants to think about and investigate ideas. If the subject becomes unpopular, or is considered finalised, the grants stop. A company selling a product, on the other hand keeps selling the product, or if it runs out or becomes unpopular, they just start selling something else.

The scientists that work for Govt don't rely on grants, you think they're going to get rid of the BOM? If you think govt scientists give answers that the govt wants I suggest you read what BOM says and it's doesn't agree with what our govt would like to hear.

edit: And if you think scientists that work at UNIs and get grants to do studies have more to lose than all the carbon industries, csg, coal miners, oil companies, well...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21641 Gender:	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #242 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am Have you read this article? 'Techniques involved in developing the Australian Climate Observations Reference Network – Surface Air Temperature (ACORN-SAT) dataset' http://www.cawcr.gov.au/publications/technicalreports/CTR_049.pdf Adjustments, homogenisation.
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Reply #243 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 4:48pm

Its astonishing to see people in here mount ridiculous arguments such as "See? how can the earth be warming, when the US and the UK are frozen?|

AGW denialist cultists, rely of these spurious and insanely weak arguments, to spread their religion and lies.

To actually claim that AGW is not happening and or there is nothing to worry about, just because it snowed somewhere in the world not only exemplifies the stupidity and deceit inherent in this fundamentalist religious movement, but also the depths that this public discussion has sunk to.

Lets just say that during the last major Ice age on this planet, the earth's average surface temperature was about 5 degC lower than it was pre-industrial period (ie roughly about the year 1900). During that ice age, where temperatures were on average 5degC lower, almost all of the USA was covered by an ice sheet.

What do you think will happen to the earths climate and other systems, should humanity warm the earth by a further 5 degC?

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Reply #245 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00pm

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Have you read this article?

'Techniques involved in developing the Australian
Climate Observations Reference Network – Surface Air
Temperature (ACORN-SAT) dataset'

http://www.cawcr.gov.au/publications/technicalreports/CTR_049.pdf

Adjustments, homogenisation.

What do you think you see there?

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Reply #246 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:21pm

# wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Have you read this article?

'Techniques involved in developing the Australian
Climate Observations Reference Network – Surface Air
Temperature (ACORN-SAT) dataset'

http://www.cawcr.gov.au/publications/technicalreports/CTR_049.pdf

Adjustments, homogenisation.

What do you think you see there?

An explanation of adjustments and homogenisation of historical data. Why should a "best guess" adjustment of data have any credence attached?

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Reply #247 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

# wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Have you read this article?

'Techniques involved in developing the Australian
Climate Observations Reference Network – Surface Air
Temperature (ACORN-SAT) dataset'

http://www.cawcr.gov.au/publications/technicalreports/CTR_049.pdf

Adjustments, homogenisation.

What do you think you see there?

An explanation of adjustments and homogenisation of historical data. Why should a "best guess" adjustment of data have any credence attached?

So, where did you get this interpretation?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21641 Gender:	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #248 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 10:04am # wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: So, where did you get this interpretation? Go to the article CTRL "F", "adjustment" , or "homongenisation"
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #249 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 10:22am lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 10:04am: # wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm: So, where did you get this interpretation? Go to the article CTRL "F", "adjustment" , or "homongenisation" No, I mean, where did you really get your interpretation.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21641 Gender:	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #250 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 5:37pm Why? Looking for another messenger to shoot? Sorry,this is my work.
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Reply #251 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 5:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

You can tell the difference between a scientist and a denier in terms of the phrasing.

Scientists will talk about climate change because its not just about higher temps and lower rainfall

Deniers will use global warming. Easier to then explain away cold spells.

Where do skeptic scientists fit in that oh so neat definition?

Real scientists are all sceptical. Those who deny basic climate science are not scientists. Their approach is one of advocacy, where they believe that the end justifies the means. Usually if they have a scientific background, the means involves lying. As soon as they start dealing in falsehoods, they cease to be scientists, and enter the realm of pseudoscience.

They are not sceptics either.

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Reply #252 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 6:13pm

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

# wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Have you read this article?

'Techniques involved in developing the Australian
Climate Observations Reference Network – Surface Air
Temperature (ACORN-SAT) dataset'

http://www.cawcr.gov.au/publications/technicalreports/CTR_049.pdf

Adjustments, homogenisation.

What do you think you see there?

An explanation of adjustments and homogenisation of historical data. Why should a "best guess" adjustment of data have any credence attached?

Where do you get best guess from? I don't see that anywhere in the text.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #253 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 7:36pm lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 5:37pm: Why? Looking for another messenger to shoot? Sorry,this is my work. Somehow, lee, I don't believe you. Watts again?
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Reply #254 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 10:00pm

muso wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Where do you get best guess from? I don't see that anywhere in the text.

Sorry, My paraphrasing. try a search for "estimate".

noun: estimate; plural noun: estimates
ˈestəmit/

1. an approximate calculation or judgment of the value, number, quantity, or extent of something.
"at a rough estimate, our staff is recycling a quarter of the paper used"
synonyms: rough calculation, approximation, estimation, rough guess;

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