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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #180 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

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St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

ahahahahaha

“Greggy” is right re Law v Theory.

He is wrong re AGW tho.

Are you saying a law is not a theory?!!!!!!!!

Yes.

A Law—Boyle’s Law, Newton’s Law of Gravitation etc simply summarises observations and makes no attempt at explanation. A theory, a hypothesis not yet falsified by experimental results does attempt to explain observations.

Creation Science, so called, is not science, it just asssumes creationism is spelled out by the Bible and attempts to find confirmation.

AGW Science, so called, is not science, it just assumes AGW is spelled out by Al Gore et al and attempts to find confirmation.
And not very successfully. Not only does it not try and falsify but when there is negative data the theory is expanded and modified to accommodate and "explain" the anomaly, often with little or no evidence. Now that's a basis of a religion.

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Reply #181 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:17pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Edited:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

ahahahahaha

“Greggy” is right re Law v Theory.

He is wrong re AGW tho.

Are you saying a law is not a theory?!!!!!!!!

Yes.

A Law—Boyle’s Law, Newton’s Law of Gravitation etc simply summarises observations and makes no attempt at explanation. A theory, a hypothesis not yet falsified by experimental results does attempt to explain observations.

Creation Science, so called, is not science, it just asssumes creationism is spelled out by the Bible and attempts to find confirmation. Phht, science looks to falsify theories to get at a truth closer to reality.

So a Law is just a mathematical statement!??!

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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #182 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:18pm

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

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AGW Science, so called, is not science, it just assumes AGW is spelled out by Al Gore et al and attempts to find confirmation.
And not very successfully. Not only does it not try and falsify but when there is negative data the theory is expanded and modified to accommodate and "explain" the anomaly, often with little or no evidence. ...

Of course, of course; it's all part of the grand conspiracy.
All part of the conspiracy.
Part of the conspiracy.
The conspiracy.
Conspiracy.
...

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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #183 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

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AGW Science, so called, is not science, it just assumes AGW is spelled out by Al Gore et al and attempts to find confirmation.
And not very successfully. Not only does it not try and falsify but when there is negative data the theory is expanded and modified to accommodate and "explain" the anomaly, often with little or no evidence. ...

Of course, of course; it's all part of the grand conspiracy.
All part of the conspiracy.
Part of the conspiracy.
The conspiracy.
Conspiracy.
...

Roll Eyes

Ahhhh the old censuring attempt by labelling a valid point/discussion a 'conspiracy'....

You get a D- for being so patently disengenious #. Keep it up and you will need to go back for 'retraining'.

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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #184 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:07pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Edited:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

ahahahahaha

“Greggy” is right re Law v Theory.

He is wrong re AGW tho.

Are you saying a law is not a theory?!!!!!!!!

Yes.

A Law—Boyle’s Law, Newton’s Law of Gravitation etc simply summarises observations and makes no attempt at explanation. A theory, a hypothesis not yet falsified by experimental results does attempt to explain observations.

Creation Science, so called, is not science, it just asssumes creationism is spelled out by the Bible and attempts to find confirmation. Phht, science looks to falsify theories to get at a truth closer to reality.

Newton proposed a non-metric, non-relativistic gravitational theory.

Newtonian laws, like thermodynamic laws arise from theory, assumptions, derivation, experimental validation, logic, abstract mathematical conclusions and even common sense.

For Mr Greggy to suggest that there is no Newtonian gravitational theory, but there exists an Einsteinian theory of gravitation, merely highlights why he is so confused by a simple concept such as AGW and climate change.

If you examine the table i posted you will see not only Newton's and Einstein's THEORIES on gravitation listed, but several others as well.

The first known law us arguably Archimedes Law on Levers. But lo and behold, Archimedes arrived at this law via mathematical theory and logic as well as experiment to validate it. Theory is coupled with experiment/observation in the scientific method.

A good example of this is String Theory which is not a scientific theory yet, because it has no observational or experimental data to support it. String theory is often referred to as a mathematical philosophical theory.

One can go on, but I am in urgent need of a Glenfiddich 12 year sample on ice at the moment

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Reply #185 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:18pm

Rider wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

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AGW Science, so called, is not science, it just assumes AGW is spelled out by Al Gore et al and attempts to find confirmation.
And not very successfully. Not only does it not try and falsify but when there is negative data the theory is expanded and modified to accommodate and "explain" the anomaly, often with little or no evidence. ...

Of course, of course; it's all part of the grand conspiracy.
All part of the conspiracy.
Part of the conspiracy.
The conspiracy.
Conspiracy.
...

Roll Eyes

Ahhhh the old censuring attempt by labelling a valid point/discussion a 'conspiracy'....

You get a D- for being so patently disengenious #. Keep it up and you will need to go back for 'retraining'.

Ah the old labelling of labellers game ay: looks like only economies of scale via lobbying for favourable regulation to kick out the small players thus attaining mammoth market share thus affording the best lawyers to scare the world at large can solve a conundrum such as thus when push comes to shove!!

Go "free markets" yeh Shocked

Yeh, let's go with the vested interest theory in unofficial circles ..... Cos it really is just chewing up Internet address space that counts Grin

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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #186 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Edited:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

ahahahahaha

“Greggy” is right re Law v Theory.

He is wrong re AGW tho.

Are you saying a law is not a theory?!!!!!!!!

Yes.

A Law—Boyle’s Law, Newton’s Law of Gravitation etc simply summarises observations and makes no attempt at explanation. A theory, a hypothesis not yet falsified by experimental results does attempt to explain observations.

Creation Science, so called, is not science, it just asssumes creationism is spelled out by the Bible and attempts to find confirmation. Phht, science looks to falsify theories to get at a truth closer to reality.

Newton proposed a non-metric, non-relativistic gravitational theory.

Newtonian laws, like thermodynamic laws arise from theory, assumptions, derivation, experimental validation, logic, abstract mathematical conclusions and even common sense.

For Mr Greggy to suggest that there is no Newtonian gravitational theory, but there exists an Einsteinian theory of gravitation, merely highlights why he is so confused by a simple concept such as AGW and climate change.

If you examine the table i posted you will see not only Newton's and Einstein's THEORY on gravitation listed, but several others as well.

The first known law us arguably Archimedes Law on Levers. But lo and behold, Archimedes arrived at this law via mathematical theory and logic as well as experiment to validate it. Theory is coupled with experiment/observation in the scientific method.

A good example of this is String Theory which is not a scientific theory yet, because it gas no observational or experimental data to support it. String theory is often referred to as a mathematical philosophical theory.

One can go on, but indeed a Glenfiddich 12 year on ice at the moment

Cool- one would think a theory was behind all! I posit blah blah blah because ... Etc

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK! Reply #188 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:50pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:39pm: We're not frozen in the UK at all actually. It's been really mild. Just rained a lot. i'm at Heathrow now and I didn't even need to bring a jacket with me. It's Jan too, unheard of. Why would Andrei say such a thing..... Hmmmmmmn,!??!
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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #189 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:39pm:

We're not frozen in the UK at all actually.

It's been really mild. Just rained a lot.

i'm at Heathrow now and I didn't even need to bring a jacket with me. It's Jan too, unheard of.

And what percentage of the earths total surface area would you say the UK contributes?

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Reply #190 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:59pm

Relevance?

I was responding directly to the title puppet,

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL? TELL THE FROZEN US/UK!

We're not freezing, its really mild and I am flying now to the US where it is also milld in Southern Cali.

So away you go son. That's your answer to an incorrect title. How do I know?
Quite easy, I live here.

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Reply #191 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 11:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Relevance?

I was responding directly to the title puppet,

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL? TELL THE FROZEN US/UK!

We're not freezing, its really mild and I am flying now to the US where it is also milld in Southern Cali.

So away you go son. That's your answer to an incorrect title. How do I know?
Quite easy, I live here.

...your response says it all

(I trust that you know that everybody can read your posts in here? It may be wise to actually read your own signature once in a while, and try to understand it and apply it in your everyday life)

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Reply #192 - Jan 20^th, 2014 at 12:59am

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Edited:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

ahahahahaha

“Greggy” is right re Law v Theory.

He is wrong re AGW tho.

Are you saying a law is not a theory?!!!!!!!!

Yes.

A Law—Boyle’s Law, Newton’s Law of Gravitation etc simply summarises observations and makes no attempt at explanation. A theory, a hypothesis not yet falsified by experimental results does attempt to explain observations.

Correct.

Unfortunately, the chimp doesn't understand the difference and that's why it's hard to take anything he says seriously.

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Re: Global warming is real? Tell the frozen US/UK!
Reply #193 - Jan 20^th, 2014 at 1:01am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Relevance?

I was responding directly to the title puppet,

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL? TELL THE FROZEN US/UK!

We're not freezing, its really mild and I am flying now to the US where it is also milld in Southern Cali.

So away you go son. That's your answer to an incorrect title. How do I know?
Quite easy, I live here.

An excellent, EXCELLENT reply.

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Reply #194 - Jan 20^th, 2014 at 1:04am

Rider wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

...
AGW Science, so called, is not science, it just assumes AGW is spelled out by Al Gore et al and attempts to find confirmation.
And not very successfully. Not only does it not try and falsify but when there is negative data the theory is expanded and modified to accommodate and "explain" the anomaly, often with little or no evidence. ...

Of course, of course; it's all part of the grand conspiracy.
All part of the conspiracy.
Part of the conspiracy.
The conspiracy.
Conspiracy.
...

Roll Eyes

Ahhhh the old censuring attempt by labelling a valid point/discussion a 'conspiracy'....

You get a D- for being so patently disengenious #. Keep it up and you will need to go back for 'retraining'.

The funny thing is, # actually believes he knows what he's talking about.

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