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Reply #15 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:20am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
You mean my current burgeoning plans to start the Grappler Party to rectify the ills of Australia, my promise to march on Canberra etc with a bill of demands to be rectified (at my age and condition).. a sort of Munich Beerhall Putsch moment to draw attention to the realities of a dying country.. all means nothing?


A political party is exactly that, it's not a 'person', it's a group of people with a common political agenda. And, the internet allows us to avoid the situation where a party is formed around the ego of one dominant individual, which is something that couldn't have been done 20 years ago.

The democratic election process obliges us to form our own parties if we aren't satisfied with the existing ones. In other words we don't really have the right to challenge a government publicly, that is if we are a political movement. Besides, it's too easy to say that a government is wrong. Most elected governments do their best, they fail because we voted them in, more than for any other reason. Politicians do what they are good at, (in the limited time that's between election campaigns) and that's being politicians.

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Ask not what your country can do for you - it will just kick you in the arse and laugh at such a preposterous notion that it should do for you as you have for it.
 

It's the 'nation' of Aussieland that will do that, not Australia. And that happens because Aussies are a lay down and take it in the guts culture. It's behavior consistent with a people that have their origins in a penal colony. We are not 'I want some more' types, in fact the opposite. We have a spite against those that complain. 

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Tell YOURSELF what you can do for your country!


We are by default obliged to be patriots.

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What are YOU doing?


My purpose here is to help put together a patriotic movement. Something I'd discussed with FD around the time of my first post. 

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And what has this to do with whether or not there is a gay marriage anti-lobby - something that cannot exist since there is no legitimate gay marriage.


It was legal in the ACT for a few weeks. Besides why wait, it would be too late when it is legislated. Something that is guaranteed to happen as the majority parties, being subject to chromosomal pressure, are pushed to the left. 

And it did have nothing to do with gay marriage, but everything to do with hypocrisy. You denounce those who want to sip coffee and gripe rather than take action. And also those that wouldn't stand up and fight beside Ned Kelly. But it looks like you are very 'comfortable' here yourself.

The irony, Trestin Meacham is prepared to starve himself to death to defend conventional marriage, but the Crappler doesn't want to get up from his comfortable position and try and make a difference.

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I plan neither to campaign for gay marriage or against it - it is a matter of indifference to me.


Then you've got a poor understanding of that particular issue. And a political 'party', as the term suggests, is not about "me". 

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What, good sir, is the import of your imputation that I am doing nothing?  I do plenty just by being here and elsewhere, and damned well on only $135 a week.


Griping is doing nothing. It's a comfortable way of wasting time. And 'money' is an excuse. I'm not asking anyone to put in money. It's effort that is needed, only an hour a day on the internet would do. 

It's strike three for you?

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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:06am
 
I love how everyone claims they don't care, yet always fall on the "just let them do it and move on" side of the fence.

Enough with the soft-sell idiocy.
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 11:52pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 8:36pm:
Is anyone EXCLUDED from this 'marriage equality' drive'?
Any configurations of human coupling that are rejected by the 'marriage equality' lobby?


Or is this a case of homosexuals are sensitive only about homosexuals, not actual 'marriage equality'? (Making this yet another dishonest Newspeak swindle).

Or what?



Well there are only 2 configurations of human coupling that are legal under our current (Western society) laws. Heterosexual and Homosexual. What 'other' configurations could there be?

As for homosexuals being sensitive about homosexual issues....People are generally most concerned about things that affect them personally. It's only natural to worry most about what impacts on you yourself.


Marriage is a heterosexual institution.
If that natural and obvious boundary is not recognised, what other aspects of it can also be discarded?

What about 3 blokes? 2 blokes and 3 women? (is there anything special about 1+1?)
What about uncle and niece? if they really really love and cherish each other?
What if a brother and sister want to be married but promise not to have sex? Is that possible?

My question is - what limit will homosexuals set to others, once they are 'married'?

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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:25am
 
Once you take your finger out of the dam - and that's NOT a play on words - you've lost the game.
Once homosexuality was decriminalised the rest was inevitable.
Once the drinking age, the voting age, the driving age were lowered the rest was inevitable.
I'd like to go on but I have to try and get my finger back in.
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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:30am
 
... wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:06am:
I love how everyone claims they don't care, yet always fall on the "just let them do it and move on" side of the fence.

Enough with the soft-sell idiocy. 


Exactly. Maybe it's combination of discussion and action that is needed? A new political movement.  Pauline Hanson at least proved that there is room for a grass roots political party.
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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:13pm
 
GA wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:20am:
Griping is doing nothing. It's a comfortable way of wasting time. And 'money' is an excuse. I'm not asking anyone to put in money. It's effort that is needed, only an hour a day on the internet would do. 

It's strike three for you?



Nah - I happen to do a lot of enlightening here - and elsewhere - and am forming alliances as we speak.... that's pretty good work without cash if you ask me. I'm also struggling to get something going for myself here - I can't carry the whole world every time, can I?

I will not engage in fisticuffs with the governing system - not on the physical level.  I am seeking answers through the process of democracy.

You are quite correct in saying that Australia is a land of lay down and take the kick, and kick at anyone who seeks to raise himself out of the mire.  Getting 'above himself' so to speak.

Well - I'm not descended from the peasantry and will not be reduced to it.  Instead, as a true Ard Reagh, I will lead my people to FREEEDDOOOOM!

Beer at the club.
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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18am:
My question is - what limit will homosexuals set to others, once they are 'married'?




I'm sure we'll see arranged marriages between animals, furniture and siblings.

It's a natural progression.



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Reply #22 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 11:52pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 8:36pm:
Is anyone EXCLUDED from this 'marriage equality' drive'?
Any configurations of human coupling that are rejected by the 'marriage equality' lobby?


Or is this a case of homosexuals are sensitive only about homosexuals, not actual 'marriage equality'? (Making this yet another dishonest Newspeak swindle).

Or what?



Well there are only 2 configurations of human coupling that are legal under our current (Western society) laws. Heterosexual and Homosexual. What 'other' configurations could there be?

As for homosexuals being sensitive about homosexual issues....People are generally most concerned about things that affect them personally. It's only natural to worry most about what impacts on you yourself.


Marriage is a heterosexual institution.
If that natural and obvious boundary is not recognised, what other aspects of it can also be discarded?

What about 3 blokes? 2 blokes and 3 women? (is there anything special about 1+1?)
What about uncle and niece? if they really really love and cherish each other?
What if a brother and sister want to be married but promise not to have sex? Is that possible?

My question is - what limit will homosexuals set to others, once they are 'married'?



No, it's not. It's a human institution, but it's only been considered a heterosexual one for the last several hundred years.

And all of the other versions you mention have existed at some point in history.....except possibly for the 'promise never to have sex' one..
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #23 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:46pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
No, it's not. It's a human institution, but it's only been considered a heterosexual one for the last several hundred years.



C'mon man, that's stupid.

I mean, people can exaggerate a bit to make their argument but what is the point of knowingly posting outright lies like this? 

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Reply #24 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:24pm
 
... wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:46pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
No, it's not. It's a human institution, but it's only been considered a heterosexual one for the last several hundred years.



C'mon man, that's stupid.

I mean, people can exaggerate a bit to make their argument but what is the point of knowingly posting outright lies like this? 



What is an 'outright lie'??
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #25 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 8:41pm
 
Marriage is defined as ' the union of a man and a woman' - as before - no amount of wordplay can make a man a woman or a woman a man.

I have nothing against gays - apart from their perpetual whining about how they are so oppressed when in reality they are nothing of the sort.

I see no gays being refused work etc - they have the vote and so forth. 

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Reply #26 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:06pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18am:
Marriage is a heterosexual institution.



No, it's not. It's a human institution, but it's only been considered a heterosexual one for the last several hundred years.

And all of the other versions you mention have existed at some point in history.....except possibly for the 'promise never to have sex' one..



Would you mind telling us where you got this load of bollocks from?
Surely not something you have just made up, in a fit of pique, surely!!!


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Reply #27 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:48pm
 
How long before some lesbians will demand to be regarded as 'fathers'?
And Elton John types as 'mothers'?

Why should fatherhood be restricted to men, motherhood to women? Homophobic!!!




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Reply #28 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 11:52pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 8:36pm:
Is anyone EXCLUDED from this 'marriage equality' drive'?
Any configurations of human coupling that are rejected by the 'marriage equality' lobby?


Or is this a case of homosexuals are sensitive only about homosexuals, not actual 'marriage equality'? (Making this yet another dishonest Newspeak swindle).

Or what?



Well there are only 2 configurations of human coupling that are legal under our current (Western society) laws. Heterosexual and Homosexual. What 'other' configurations could there be?

As for homosexuals being sensitive about homosexual issues....People are generally most concerned about things that affect them personally. It's only natural to worry most about what impacts on you yourself.


Marriage is a heterosexual institution.
If that natural and obvious boundary is not recognised, what other aspects of it can also be discarded?

What about 3 blokes? 2 blokes and 3 women? (is there anything special about 1+1?)
What about uncle and niece? if they really really love and cherish each other?
What if a brother and sister want to be married but promise not to have sex? Is that possible?

My question is - what limit will homosexuals set to others, once they are 'married'?



No, it's not. It's a human institution ...



Correct.

Nero had at least two husbands .

The idea that it's always been a "heterosexual institution" is naive to the extreme.


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Reply #29 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:13pm:
Nero had at least two husbands .

The idea that it's always been a "heterosexual institution" is naive to the extreme.




So a mad fvckn emperor, executed for being a mad fvcker, is your argument to counter millennia of normal heterosexual custom?

Are you out of your mind?*iii

*(yes, you are.)

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