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Reply #90 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 7:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:52pm:

the same data shows adelaide as having 'well above average temperatures'. having lived here all that year, that is total bunkum. but I am so over the climate reports now. I don't believe anything any more. the degree of corruption and blatant lying all mixed with a stupidly high level of hysteria has made more realise that the oft-claimed maxim 'everyone is an idiot' is rather generous. We now have tacit acknowledgement that the 17year pause in warming is real but the 'warming has gone to the deep ocean'. it is an blatant breach of the laws of thermodynamics but nevertheless, no ideology should ever be subservient to science.

Yes but you were always going to arrive at this conclusion. It has nothing to do with the science and you know it. You don't want to believe it (it's inconvenient) and that's what has decided it for you. I dare say in every other context where the conclusion doesn't put you out you will accept the expert evidence esp when the consensus is so overwhelming (eg I bet you believe in the theory of relativity even though you have no discernible experience of it - in that case you readily accept the expert view) but in this case where the science is contrary to what you want and your ideology you make up what ever bullsh!t you can to discredit the science even though you have absolutely no personal training or expertise in the field.

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Reply #92 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:16pm

True Blue... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 4:09pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Well - I say again - my tomatoes that are normally ripening in December are still green....

I tend to trust plants, birds and animals before I trust paid scientists.. and the average here has been lower... though winter was warmer due to more cloud cover. Same reason as summer is cooler - drought broken, more cloud cover and more rainy days.....

Simple... altogether a relatively mild year 2013.. we had two frosts - a far cry from the -8 frosts of 2003.... in the middle of the drought....

Cloud cover.. cloud cover...... mind you it's more humid than normal....

Finally, someone in touch with the environment and with some common sense !!!!

Approx. 5 years ago when drought like conditions broke and se started getting good rains again I noticed that 100s of crows flew into our area just before winter... we had great soaking rains that year ...

I reported my findings on another forum and have done in following years...

Earlier this year when Victorian farmers started to panic and wanted drought assistance off the government when rain didn't come in exactly on time... I noted that the crows were a month late coming into my area this year... sure enough, the rain came, but a month later than usual ...

Talking with some old folk about this up country a bit... they say that when they start getting sightings of black cockatoos rain will follow ...

They say that the cockatoos are heading to the mountains ...

Yes - the Black Cockies are fabulous - got a family of about eleven now - used to be 2-3. They stop by to eat from our hakea trees... been very common lately.

The swallows in the outdoor toilet have also settled in for a new hatch - meaning it won't get too hot in there.

Bluey the Tongue in the pipe outside is still in place, though - means not heavy rain.. just a sprinkle today with a tiny patch occasionally, and the frogs aren't even interested.... even Paycheck who comes in late since he lives in the shed drain pipe and doesn't understand it's wet until water is running has been quiet, and Brak has been pretty quiet.

Oh, and the climbing beans are a bit late, as are the potatoes... nope - a relatively cool summer here, I think and maybe a warm winter again.

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #94 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

What are your qualifications, such that you can judge that they don't have the data for that level of confidence?

I'm not a gullible fool.

There's no evidence to support that assertion.

That's pretty rich coming from someone who actually believes that AGW is a scientific fact.
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When did I ever say anything of the sort?

I accept the judgement of the vast majority of the best qualified. Judgement on which no organisation of reputable scientists disagrees. Does that mean that I believe it's " a scientific fact"? That's a product of a Conservative's binary mindset.

It will probably be difficult for you to grasp, but I don't see the world in binaries (black/white; true/false; good/evil). Mine is a world of probabilities; nuance.

You're uncomfortable with the 95-100% certainty that global warming is anthropogenic. You demand 100%.

You need the binary. I'm quite comfortable with the probability. For me, 95-100% is not an unbearable level of uncertainty, as it evidently is for you

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

If I'm as gullible as you claim, ...

When did I claim that you're gullible?

You said you're not. I challenged you for evidence. You couldn't present any.

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Reply #95 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:38pm

Adelaide recorded extremes:
Hottest temperature – 12 January 1939, 46.1 °C (115.0 °F)
Coldest temperature – 8 June 1982, −0.4 °C (31.3 °F)
Wettest month – June 1916, 217.9 mm (8.58 in)
Hottest Minimum - 33.9 °C (93.0 °F), 28–29 January 2009
(Records from West Tce weather station 1839-1977 & Kent Town weather station 1977-present)

For todays climate change nutters Grin

Major ENSO events were recorded in the years 1790–93, 1828, 1876–78, 1891, 1925–26, 1972–73, 1982–83, 1997–98 and 2009–2010.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156272 Gender:	Re: Hottest year on record Reply #97 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm # wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm: Mine is a world of probabilities. Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real. No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #98 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

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Reply #99 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

Please explain how AGW is actually plausible.

In you own words, if you can (since you are so sure about it).

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #100 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:12pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

I don't deny the possibility that AGW might be real.

Never have done.

You must be mistaking me for someone else.

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #101 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

Please explain how AGW is actually plausible.

In you own words, if you can (since you are so sure about it).

Well first of all I didn't say I was sure about climate change. They are your words because, as a denialist you obfuscate to hide the fact that you lie about the science so you don't have to be put to the trouble of having to do something about it to remedy the situation. Secondly and most importantly why would I debate the climate science with you. Who are you. Do you know sh!t about climate science. Have you studied it, do you have any qualifications in the field, do you work as a climate scientist. If you were genuinely interested in the likely truth of the matter why on earth would you be debating it with someone like you with no expertise in the field. What on earth could that achieve or prove. It's certainly not a scientific approach. But of course, as I say, you're not really interested in the science are you. You just want to lie about it so you don't have to be put out to do something to remedy the situation.

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #102 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:40pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

Please explain how AGW is actually plausible.

In you own words, if you can (since you are so sure about it).

Well first of all I didn't say I was sure about climate change. They are your words because, as a denialist you obfuscate to hide the fact that you lie about the science so you don't have to be put to the trouble of having to do something about it to remedy the situation. Secondly and most importantly why would I debate the climate science with you. Who are you. Do you know sh!t about climate science. Have you studied it, do you have any qualifications in the field, do you work as a climate scientist. If you were genuinely interested in the likely truth of the matter why on earth would you be debating it with someone like you with no expertise in the field. What on earth could that achieve or prove. It's certainly not a scientific approach. But of course, as I say, you're not really interested in the science are you. You just want to lie about it so you don't have to be put out to do something to remedy the situation.

All you had to say was "I don't know".

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #103 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:12pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

I don't deny the possibility that AGW might be real.

Never have done.

You must be mistaking me for someone else.

No, now you read my post again. I didn't say that you deny the possibility that AGW is real . I said that you pretend not to deny it. You hide behind your bogus claim that you're a skeptic but your language is 100% denialism. You just don't have the courage to admit that that's where you really stand. And I'm saying, have to courage to admit where you really stand. That's what the rest of us do. And sure its taking a risk. We could be shot down but hey. At least there's integrity in that.

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #104 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:40pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Mine is a world of probabilities.

Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real.

No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith.

Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand

Please explain how AGW is actually plausible.

In you own words, if you can (since you are so sure about it).

Well first of all I didn't say I was sure about climate change. They are your words because, as a denialist you obfuscate to hide the fact that you lie about the science so you don't have to be put to the trouble of having to do something about it to remedy the situation. Secondly and most importantly why would I debate the climate science with you. Who are you. Do you know sh!t about climate science. Have you studied it, do you have any qualifications in the field, do you work as a climate scientist. If you were genuinely interested in the likely truth of the matter why on earth would you be debating it with someone like you with no expertise in the field. What on earth could that achieve or prove. It's certainly not a scientific approach. But of course, as I say, you're not really interested in the science are you. You just want to lie about it so you don't have to be put out to do something to remedy the situation.

All you had to say was "I don't know".

Ah yes but your BS and unscientific approach to this whole subject needs to be exposed and so I'm just doing my bit to expose it.

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