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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Hottest year on record Reply #30 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:21pm: # wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:59pm: What are your qualifications, such that you can judge that they don't have the data for that level of confidence? I'm not a gullible fool. You're not being honest that's for sure
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Reply #31 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:53pm

These are the BoM temperature charts for 2013, plotted as deciles (tenths). The dark orange is the area where the temperatures were the highest on record. Note that the temperatures were not the highest on record in the whole of the country on any of the charts, but just in some of the country. Much of the country recorded temperatures that were in the top 10% (top decile).

The mean and maximum temperatures showed a greater tendency to be unusually high (top decile) than the minimum temperatures.

annual maximum temperature deciles - 2013

annual mean temperature deciles - 2013

annual minimum temperature deciles - 2013

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Hottest year on record Reply #32 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:59pm Here are the annual mean temperature charts for the last five years. 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009
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Reply #33 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm

Wow - 1.2 degrees....

We're experiencing the coolest summer for a while and besides, I thought that regional differences didn't count......

Just saying... it always seems that the moment we get a heat patch it means global warming, but the moment we get a cool patch it doesn't mean global cooling...

Sounds a bit selective to me..... especially when we've just come out of a drought cycle here, and we have more rain and overcast than normal, which will mean a warmer winter if it persists..... just saying...

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Reply #34 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:10pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Wow - 1.2 degrees....

We're experiencing the coolest summer for a while and besides, I thought that regional differences didn't count......

Just saying... it always seems that the moment we get a heat patch it means global warming, but the moment we get a cool patch it doesn't mean global cooling...

Sounds a bit selective to me..... especially when we've just come out of a drought cycle here, and we have more rain and overcast than normal, which will mean a warmer winter if it persists..... just saying...

Aircon tends to give you that impression.

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Reply #35 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:14pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:

# wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

What are your qualifications, such that you can judge that they don't have the data for that level of confidence?

I'm not a gullible fool.

You're not being honest that's for sure

Example?

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Reply #36 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:16pm

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Here are the annual mean temperature charts for the last five years.

2013
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/2013/20140103_tmean_deciles.png

2012
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/change/20130103_tmean...

2011
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/change/20120104_tmean...

2010
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/change/20110105meanTm...

2009
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/change/20100105meanTm...

Five years.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Hottest year on record Reply #37 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:24pm gregorypeckory, can you remind me what relevance earth temperatures 100,000 years ago have on our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people as we have now ?
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Reply #38 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gregorypeckory, can you remind me what relevance earth temperatures 100,000 years ago have on our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people as we have now ?

That's a strange question you ask, considering the fact that I've never discussed the relevance of earth temperatures 100,000 years ago and our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people.

So, why do you ask?

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Reply #39 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:34pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39am:

True Blue... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:18am:

I'd like to know where all of these record high temperatures were because they were certainly weren't in my area and I live in part of Australia...

over the past 6 months (Victoria) I'd have to say its been below average as far as temperatures go... and a bit higher in rain fall compared to recent years...

SOMEONE had to say it

The Bureau of Meteorology are just making these figures up !

that's not what I said at all...

you are like Bam in the fact you both like to make up your own truths when the facts are plain to see in black and white right in front of your eyes...

how can you not be embarrassed with your dribble that you spew all over the forums.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #40 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gregorypeckory, can you remind me what relevance earth temperatures 100,000 years ago have on our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people as we have now ?

That's a strange question you ask, considering the fact that I've never discussed the relevance of earth temperatures 100,000 years ago and our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people.

So, why do you ask?

If you answer the question, I'll tell you why I asked it.

(I think the reason would be self-evident anyway).

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Reply #41 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:00pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gregorypeckory, can you remind me what relevance earth temperatures 100,000 years ago have on our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people as we have now ?

That's a strange question you ask, considering the fact that I've never discussed the relevance of earth temperatures 100,000 years ago and our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people.

So, why do you ask?

If you answer the question, I'll tell you why I asked it.

(I think the reason would be self-evident anyway).

No, I can't remind you.

I've never mentioned it before.

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Reply #42 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:04pm

John S wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:04am:

Australia has just sweltered through its hottest year on record, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.

Average temperatures were 1.20 degrees Celsius above the long-term average of 21.8C, breaking the previous record set in 2005 by 0.17C, the bureau said in its Annual Climate Statement.

All states and territories recorded above average temperatures in 2013, with Western Australia, Northern Territory and South Australia all breaking annual average temperature records.

The country recorded its hottest day on January 7, as well as the hottest week and hottest month on record.

Meanwhile, extreme conditions have persisted into the first days of 2014, with soaring temperatures in areas extending from Queensland's interior to Central Australia, northern South Australia and north-western New South Wales.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/#state=nsw

So come all you d!ckheads explain how you think it isn't getting warmer and wasn't the 2012 the hottest on record back then

im not sure I even believe it. there has been such corruption involved in these matters that I don't really believe it. In Adelaide our September and November were very cold compared to the average and I would dispute it was even up to the average.

and something worth noting - that few pick up on - is that is is merely the warmest year in 8 years. big deal. 2011 was the COOLEST year in well over a decade proving...

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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Reply #43 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:06pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:16am:

John S wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:04am:

Australia has just sweltered through its hottest year on record ...

Such an unbelievably short period of time, that I can't believe anyone is even mentioning it.

Seriously people, get some perspective.

http://images.sp@m.com/polls/003233075/344784403_nothing_to_see_here_answer_2_xl...

Yes in geological terms 104 years is but a blink of an eye.

Now that's an understatement.

Any chance you might address my question Greg?

How long before we can use the collected data?

How long have we been collecting Lung Cancer data?

Mid 50's?

Why is that ok to use re smoking yet 104 years is too short

well ity isn't like 2013 was the hottes. but rather the hottest in EIGHT YEARS

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Reply #44 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:45am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:16am:

John S wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:04am:

Australia has just sweltered through its hottest year on record ...

Such an unbelievably short period of time, that I can't believe anyone is even mentioning it.

Seriously people, get some perspective.

http://images.sp@m.com/polls/003233075/344784403_nothing_to_see_here_answer_2_xl...

Yes in geological terms 104 years is but a blink of an eye.

Now that's an understatement.

Any chance you might address my question Greg?

How long before we can use the collected data?

The problem is, we just don't have enough accurate data.

Those who pray at the church of AGW believe that humans are contributing to global warming.

Humans have been around for about 200,000 years.

Therefore, at the very least, we would need to see accurate records that go back 400,000 years: 200,000 years before humans were here and 200,000 years of them inhabiting the Earth.

or at least a few hundred years prior to the industrial revolution. and QUALITY records not proxies.

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