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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #195 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:14am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:05pm:
Just as an aside,the rate of temperature increase on the Planet Mars has been comparable with Planet Earth.

The answer for Mars is solar related.

Earth's on the other hand is caused by people.

Or so they will tell us.

Are you claiming zero tolerance of aberrant behaviour in said industry?


Actually I am stating that my view is that Eart's climate is changing as a result of natural phenomena.

Mars is warming by exactly the same rate of increase as Earth.

The population of Mars is 0.
It ain't from their industry.

It is (correctly) explained as being natural occurring on Mars and due to solar pattern change.

Yet the Earth's (which orbits the same Sun) is due to mankind.

We all know why you're here mate!


Why not argue his bullshit science? Google solar output and see if his claims stack up, we can measure the sun's output.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
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The Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978 (see Climate myth special: Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans). If increased solar output really was responsible, we should be seeing warming on all the planets and their moons, not just Mars and Pluto.

Our solar system has eight planets, three dwarf planets and quite a few


Funny that we know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, completely provable with experiments, undeniable. Yet if we are to believe Andre, some solar activity we cannot measure is the cause. Now which is more likely and which is wishful thinking?
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #196 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:21am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:19am:



30 years out of 4.5 billion years is not "long term", by any stretch of the imagination.  Agreed?

You need a reason for using billions of years as a reference!
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #197 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:37am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:04am:
"Please explain how AGW is actually plausible."

A simple request.

You seem to be struggling.

Another pathetic, brainwashed liar exposed.

Next ... !


Physics.. It's plausible because certain gasses are known to act in certain ways. These things can be measured, tested, falsified if they are wrong, have you done that? Does anyone say that CO2 is not a GHG? Adding gasses to our atmosphere that are known GHGs are going to produce that effect. You don't need a lot of plutonium to poison someone, you don't need a lot of GHGs to change the balance of Earth climate. We know the GHG CO2 has been rising rapidly, now over 400ppm, and higher than it's been since our species has been around, higher than the last million years, how did it get that high?

Is it natural(volcanoes?) or is the the fact we burn carbon based fuels? How do we know which carbon was combined with o2 to produce this CO2? There are many different carbon isotopes, when we test the carbon in CO2 we can know whether it's from wood, high c14, from old carbon, low c14 for example. It's not only plausible but probable.

Why is Venus so damned hot? It's further from the Sun, less solar radiation. It's the atmosphere full of GHGs.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #198 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:43am
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:14am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:05pm:
Just as an aside,the rate of temperature increase on the Planet Mars has been comparable with Planet Earth.

The answer for Mars is solar related.

Earth's on the other hand is caused by people.

Or so they will tell us.

Are you claiming zero tolerance of aberrant behaviour in said industry?


Actually I am stating that my view is that Eart's climate is changing as a result of natural phenomena.

Mars is warming by exactly the same rate of increase as Earth.

The population of Mars is 0.
It ain't from their industry.

It is (correctly) explained as being natural occurring on Mars and due to solar pattern change.

Yet the Earth's (which orbits the same Sun) is due to mankind.

We all know why you're here mate!


Why not argue his bullshit science? Google solar output and see if his claims stack up, we can measure the sun's output.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
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The Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978 (see Climate myth special: Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans). If increased solar output really was responsible, we should be seeing warming on all the planets and their moons, not just Mars and Pluto.

Our solar system has eight planets, three dwarf planets and quite a few


Funny that we know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, completely provable with experiments, undeniable. Yet if we are to believe Andre, some solar activity we cannot measure is the cause. Now which is more likely and which is wishful thinking?

Andrei is global mod and for some reason can't linky linky  Shocked hmmmmmmmmn  Cool
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #199 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:58am
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:37am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:04am:
"Please explain how AGW is actually plausible."

A simple request.

You seem to be struggling.

Another pathetic, brainwashed liar exposed.

Next ... !


Physics.. It's plausible because certain gasses are known to act in certain ways. These things can be measured, tested, falsified if they are wrong, have you done that? Does anyone say that CO2 is not a GHG? Adding gasses to our atmosphere that are known GHGs are going to produce that effect. You don't need a lot of plutonium to poison someone, you don't need a lot of GHGs to change the balance of Earth climate. We know the GHG CO2 has been rising rapidly, now over 400ppm, and higher than it's been since our species has been around, higher than the last million years, how did it get that high?

Is it natural(volcanoes?) or is the the fact we burn carbon based fuels? How do we know which carbon was combined with o2 to produce this CO2? There are many different carbon isotopes, when we test the carbon in CO2 we can know whether it's from wood, high c14, from old carbon, low c14 for example. It's not only plausible but probable.

Why is Venus so damned hot? It's further from the Sun, less solar radiation. It's the atmosphere full of GHGs.

We all have our methods. This year the debate will certainly be cloud formation and i'd be guessing andrei will be providing linkage at some point to counter the mainstream  Roll Eyes I'm sure he will be providing you withsome great stuff on venus too and i must say i'm interested!

The truth shall then surely set us all free hee hee  Cheesy
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #200 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:06am
 


Ship Stuck in Ice Was on Global Warming Expedition

http://www.infowars.com/frozen-out-98-of-stories-ignore-that-ice-bound-ship-was-...

Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission

Mike Ciandella
newsbusters.org
January 3, 2014
A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change.

...

A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change.

The Russian ship, Akademic Shokalskiy, was stranded in the ice while on a climate change research expedition, yet nearly 98 percent of network news reports about the stranded researchers failed to mention their mission at all. Forty out of 41 stories (97.5 percent) on the network morning and evening news shows since Dec. 25 failed to mention climate change had anything to do with the expedition.

In fact, rather than point out the mission was to find evidence of climate change, the networks often referred to the stranded people as “passengers,” “trackers” and even “tourists,” without a word about climate change or global warming.

Chris Turney, the expedition’s leader, is a professor of climate change at the University of New South Wales. According to Turney’s personal website, the purpose of the expedition is to “discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south.”

Twenty-two crew members stayed with the ship for the time being, as the scientists and researchers were rescued. According to CNN, the ship has enough supplies for “a very long time.”

Three rescue attempts had been thwarted by growing levels of sea ice and weather conditions.

"Outside, blizzard conditions packing an abnormal amount of ice in to the area for this time of the year, summer in the Antarctic," ABC News Correspondent Gio Benitez reported on “Good Morning America” Dec. 31.

On Jan. 2, all 52 passengers were airlifted to a nearby Australian icebreaker ship which had tried, and failed, to plow through the ice and free the Akademic Shokalskiy, on Dec. 30. “Good Morning America” said on Dec. 30, that “the ice could be as thick as 13 feet.”

According to Fox News, Turney admitted “we’re stuck in our own experiment.” They reported on Dec. 30, that a statement from the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said, “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.”

There was only one news story out of 41 that mentioned climate change. That was CBS “This Morning” Dec. 30. “Despite being frozen at a standstill, the team’s research on climate change and Antarctic wildlife is moving forward,” CBS News Correspondent Don Dahler said. That night, all three evening news programs still failed to make any mention of the group’s climate change research.

The MRC’s Business and Media Institute was unable to view a copy of CBS “Sunday Morning” for Dec. 29, so that broadcast had to be excluded from the tally.

Before their ship got stuck in ice, the researchers were following the trail of the explorer Douglas Mawson, who was stranded in Antarctica for more than a year, beginning in December 1912, according to the website about the expedition.





http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ign...

Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission
By Mike Ciandella | January 2, 2014 | 12:43
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #201 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:39am
 
When people quote infowars/prisonplanet, they've pretty much demolished their credibility. Quite often they're the same people that think wikipedia is shonky, even though it has references to it's information. Go figure...
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #202 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:59am
 
blessings,

facts are truths

truth is the maxim of law

the article was further linked to here

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ign...

as you are well aware in whom you are

attempting to limp wristedly attack the credibility of

the message rather

than look at these facts which have been presented.

many repeater dupes that rely on mainstream news

will assert that all other factual information is unreliable

because koshy has not said so as yet ,

and in as much within that delusion these dupes

are forgiven .. many masquerade as dupes yet are

repeater sycophants of the government dejour

and discredit any informations other than koshy and carl

this is ok cool and was predicted in accordance with

the divine plan , so be at peace

many blessings unto all souls

at this station

namaste

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #203 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:11pm:
# wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
...
You made up a complete and utter lie about me.
...
What lie?



"So you're saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice, yet there are no links to studies with 100% confidence."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
... are you saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice?

... yes.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #204 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:13am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:59am:
blessings,

facts are truths

truth is the maxim of law

the article was further linked to here

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ign...

as you are well aware in whom you are

attempting to limp wristedly attack the credibility of

the message rather

than look at these facts which have been presented.

many repeater dupes that rely on mainstream news

will assert that all other factual information is unreliable

because koshy has not said so as yet ,

and in as much within that delusion these dupes

are forgiven .. many masquerade as dupes yet are

repeater sycophants of the government dejour

and discredit any informations other than koshy and carl

this is ok cool and was predicted in accordance with

the divine plan , so be at peace

many blessings unto all souls

at this station

namaste

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Namaste to you too Hindu Jesus dude.
Messengers are not equal and in many forms
I would refer you to the science
the facts that are truth
rather than the messengers
you find fault in mainstream media, it has it's faults
this does not mean you need to turn to the asylum for news
you can read the peer reviewed papers
for one so full of light
yet not enlightened
possibly incapable of being so
seeking enlightenment from fools
is to become one

Anyway, do you believe the rest of their information?
Haarp? Chemtrails? Fema death camps?
You see, you can judge an information source by it's record.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #205 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:16am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm:
# wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
# wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:42pm:
# wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Or are you saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice?


Considering the very, very small differences in temperature that are being reported, yes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
...
I've never claimed that there are links to "scientific projections with 100% confidence levels".
So you're saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice ...



In relation to "scientific projections", no.
...
So you accept scientific projections of less than 100% certainty?



They exist, of course.
...
Your evasion highlights your dishonesty.
Oh yes indeed!!! This guy is an utter disgrace.  He will try on any cheap trick. He has no self respect.  So typical of the denialist's tactics. Reminds me of what Eisenhower said about senator Joseph McCarthy; "I wouldn't sleep in the same gutter with the Guy".   
Yes indeed, indeed.

He might not be the least honest of those who post in this forum, but greggerypeccary is certainly in the running. In view of the competition, that's quite an achievement.

His lies are typically sins of omission, like the evasion above, but he lies at least as consistently as the likes of longweekend58. Like longweekend58, when challenged, greggerypeccary will try to intimidate his opponents into silence.

Soulless liar and thug pretty much sums up greggerypeccary.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #206 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:40am
 
Namaste to you too Hindu Jesus dude.
Messengers are not equal and in many forms
I would refer you to the science
the facts that are truth
rather than the messengers
you find fault in mainstream media,

__________

blessings unto thee brother being ...

many may worship al gore and repeat that .

institutions funded global warming alarmists and

were found to be manipulating the data through email

this was made quite public and is readily available

for your mind to comprehend they lied about the data

and were found out research climategate

if one such as you are have not yet researched ..

all confusion is forgiven

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #207 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:45am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:40am:
Namaste to you too Hindu Jesus dude.
Messengers are not equal and in many forms
I would refer you to the science
the facts that are truth
rather than the messengers
you find fault in mainstream media,

__________

blessings unto thee brother being ...

many may worship al gore and repeat that .

institutions funded global warming alarmists and

were found to be manipulating the data through email

this was made quite public and is readily available

for your mind to comprehend they lied about the data

and were found out research climategate

if one such as you are have not yet researched ..

all confusion is forgiven

namaste

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Let your mind be at peace about climategate
for it exists not
only misunderstanding
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #208 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:48am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:05pm:
Just as an aside,the rate of temperature increase on the Planet Mars has been comparable with Planet Earth.

The answer for Mars is solar related.

Earth's on the other hand is caused by people.

Or so they will tell us.

Are you claiming zero tolerance of aberrant behaviour in said industry?


Actually I am stating that my view is that Eart's climate is changing as a result of natural phenomena.

Mars is warming by exactly the same rate of increase as Earth.

The population of Mars is 0.
It ain't from their industry.

It is (correctly) explained as being natural occurring on Mars and due to solar pattern change.

Yet the Earth's (which orbits the same Sun) is due to mankind.


Andrei, You have fallen for a gross simplification.

On Mars, the biggest warming effect comes from dust. As far as the "solar" influence is concerns, the dust storms cause the surface to darken in certain areas leading to more evaporation of volatiles. There is no evidence that Mars is warming at the "exactly the same rate" as the Earth, and the solar output measurements don't show an increase over the past 50 years.

Mars has a very chaotic climate compared to the Earth, and that is partially caused by the fact that the obliquity of its orbit is the primary consideration for determining the heat that it obtains from the sun, and the fact that the Northern and Summer seasons are precessing with respect to the perihelion and aphelion. As I said, very chaotic,  very complex and an entirely different kettle of fish compared with the Earth.
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Re: Hottest year on record
Reply #209 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:52am
 
Let your mind be at peace about climategate
for it exists not
only misunderstanding
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

__________


blessings unto thee and yes

one such as I am observes your repeatisms

for what they are .. infactual reports from another

institutionalized mechanism of control in which

the powers that wish to be will fund a " survey "

or manipulate the data ...

just like they did in the very damaging expose on

climategate yes they were caught manipulating data

and no repeating of misrepresentation can counter that .

no matter how upset the repeaters get ,

facts remain truth

global warming climategate = lie

ie : caught manipulating data

maxim of law = truth

ie : trumps lies ergo maxim of law

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