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NASA scientists embarrassed by misrepresentations.
Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:07am
 
this is what happens when an Activist get in charge....

Hansen and Schmidt of NASA GISS under fire for climate stance: Engineers, scientists, astronauts ask NASA administration to look at empirical evidence rather than climate models



Looks like another GISS miss, more than a few people are getting fed up with Jim Hansen and Gavin Schmidt and their climate shenanigans. Some very prominent NASA voices speak out in a scathing letter to current NASA administrator Charles Bolden, Jr.. When Chris Kraft, the man who presided over NASA’s finest hour, and the engineering miracle of saving Apollo 13 speaks, people listen.

Former NASA scientists, astronauts admonish agency on climate change position

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Blanquita Cullum 703-307-9510 bqview at mac.com

Joint letter to NASA Administrator blasts agency’s policy of ignoring empirical evidence

HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2, noted that many of the former NASA scientists harbored doubts about the significance of the C02-climate change theory and have concerns over NASA’s advocacy on the issue. While making presentations in late 2011 to many of the signatories of the letter, Steward realized that the NASA scientists should make their concerns known to NASA and the GISS.

“These American heroes – the astronauts that took to space and the scientists and engineers that put them there – are simply stating their concern over NASA’s extreme advocacy for an unproven theory,” said Leighton Steward. “There’s a concern that if it turns out that CO2 is not a major cause of climate change, NASA will have put the reputation of NASA, NASA’s current and former employees, and even the very reputation of science itself at risk of public ridicule and distrust.”

Select excerpts from the letter:

◾“The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.”
◾“We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated.”
◾“We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject.”

The full text of the letter:

March 28, 2012

The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science

CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years

/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
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Re: NASA scientists embarrassed by misrepresentations.
Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:13am
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:07am:
this is what happens when an Activist get in charge....
Given that it's all a figment of your imagination, no it isn't.

If you want to be taken seriously, reveal your source. No guarantee that you'll be taken seriously, even then.
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True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:22am:
Hmmm ... Almost nine months ago, the story sank without trace. Wonder why?
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# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:31am:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:22am:
Hmmm ... Almost nine months ago, the story sank without trace. Wonder why?


are you saying that the letter isn't true just because it happened some time ago?

do they need to renew their objection again and again each year?

I don't think so...

Activists have gotten themselves into high position in places like NASA, CSIRO, ICPP etc etc and are pushing their loony lies..

sons of bitches...  Angry
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Uh-oh....

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# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:31am:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:22am:
Hmmm ... Almost nine months ago, the story sank without trace. Wonder why?


Are you suggesting that the no concerns were expressed or if they were then  they are to be dismissed unexamined?

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:42am
 
Deniers are getting desperate trying to drag out old rejected material.

The only misrepresentations being done is on denier blogs like True Blue's lesbian one.
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:44am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:40am:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:31am:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:22am:
Hmmm ... Almost nine months ago, the story sank without trace. Wonder why?


Are you suggesting that the no concerns were expressed or if they were then  they are to be dismissed unexamined?
If there weren't any concerns then, why would there be now? Unless you've been busily fabricating some in the interim?
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:47am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:42am:
Deniers are getting desperate trying to drag out old rejected material.

The only misrepresentations being done is on denier blogs like True Blue's lesbian one.


don't you believe these scientists?

I thought you were a scientist man?

but funny now how "James Hansen" has now handed in his resignation since these scientists wanted him removed as a shame...
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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:51am
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:47am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:42am:
Deniers are getting desperate trying to drag out old rejected material.

The only misrepresentations being done is on denier blogs like True Blue's lesbian one.


don't you believe these scientists?

I thought you were a scientist man?

but funny now how "James Hansen" has now handed in his resignation since these scientists wanted him removed as a shame...


Unlike your faith based (il)logic, I do believe in science.  But science, as in everything there are always a few kooks at the fringe. The "other" 3 %.   Almost all the denier "scientists" that have come out of the woodwork are at the end of their careers looking for a few oil bucks.

All good scientists know to be taken seriously, they need to publish their counter-views in a peer reviewed journal.   Funny how none of them do.


Deniers, science is not your friend in this argument. I'm not one to tell you how to play your game, but trying to back up your argument with science is going to end badly.

Stick to faith, lesbians, gut feel, your superior knowledge, etc.  Grin .... you know, all things that cant be proven one way or another.



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True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:47am:
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don't you believe these scientists?
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I'm not qualified to believe or otherwise. I'll be guided by how much impact they had at the time. Let's see; that was ... none.
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buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm:


actually it appeared FIRST in the inboxes of NASA as sent from the undersigned - a point you happily ignore like the good little climate acolyte.
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Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm
 
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.
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