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Re: NASA scientists embarrassed by misrepresentations.
Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:13pm
 
Sorted by skeptical science a year ago:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/NASA-retirees-letter2.html

Oh, and your "H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2" is actually a retired oil and gas corporate executive. What a surprise.
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Reply #16 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:40pm
 
I thought you were going to mention the Ozone Layer Hole over Antarctica again... the one that was a photo of the winter dark spot.....
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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:47pm
 
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:44am:
Soren wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:40am:
# wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:31am:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:22am:
Hmmm ... Almost nine months ago, the story sank without trace. Wonder why?


Are you suggesting that the no concerns were expressed or if they were then  they are to be dismissed unexamined?
If there weren't any concerns then, why would there be now? Unless you've been busily fabricating some in the interim?


The concerns are ignored, or at best, ridiculed.

Nevertheless, nobody has established the causal connection between human activity and this particular cycle of climate change.
Nobody. It is conjecture because climate far too complex and at this stage it operation is far from well-understood.

CO2 causing climate change is posited, not established (that means it is declared, not proven).

We do not understand the climate well enough to say what makes it change.
We know what some of the factors are. But that doesn't mean that we understand how it all works and fits together.
It could be CO2. But it could be something else. One, two, ten other things. Or something else AS WELL as those other ten things. Or it may be too soon to tell either way.

CO2 seems to be significant only because that is the only thing that can be pinned on humans. You can't have a political demo about man-made sun spots or the like, so CO2 will have to do.  CO2 is the fall-back position of the activists with the poorest imagination.i
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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.


embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?
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Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:11am
 
Love this “chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2”

Did you know. . .

1. As CO2 concentrations increase nitrogen uptake by plants decreases? That means less proteins! In a greenhouse nitrogenous fertiliser can be applied, to the world in general, to a huge field of wheat, to the huge cattle ranges, not.

2. As night time minimum temperatures rise with increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, less CO2 is taken up by plants!

Pseudoscience pushed by vested interests! At least astrology is harmless!
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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:28am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.



embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?




Does this "letter" actually EXIST ?
The site is NOTORIUS for publishing unverified
BULLSH!T

It seems to have stolen the "crown" from rense.com






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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:11am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Love this “chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2”

Did you know. . .

1. As CO2 concentrations increase nitrogen uptake by plants decreases? That means less proteins! In a greenhouse nitrogenous fertiliser can be applied, to the world in general, to a huge field of wheat, to the huge cattle ranges, not.

2. As night time minimum temperatures rise with increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, less CO2 is taken up by plants!

Pseudoscience pushed by vested interests! At least astrology is harmless!



Are you saying plants don't need co2?, or are you saying they need co2 but only at the current global warming cult approved levels, this sh#t gets funnier by the day  Grin
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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:47pm:
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Nevertheless, nobody has established the causal connection between human activity and this particular cycle of climate change.
...
To establish your credibility, just link to a statement by any organisation of reputable scientists, supporting your assertion.
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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:29am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:28am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.



embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?




Does this "letter" actually EXIST ?
The site is NOTORIUS for publishing unverified
BULLSH!T

It seems to have stolen the "crown" from rense.com



No matter what site members post you say the exact same thing ..., "oh that site is proven BS"

Then you provide no proof of your empty allegations ... in fact... you are just out and out lying...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-climate-change/



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Re: NASA scientists embarrassed by misrepresentations.
Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:35am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.


embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?





If you have a good look at the dozen or so signatories - aside from ONE meteorologist - they're ALL flight engineers, designers and astronauts

... and a MINUTE PERCENTAGE of NASA's 18,000 (odd) staff
I daresay this is why this, supposed, "letter" was not deemed mainstream newsworthy
... and left to the conspiracy web-sites









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Reply #25 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:45am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:35am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.


embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?





If you have a good look at the dozen or so signatories - aside from ONE meteorologist - they're ALL flight engineers, designers and astronauts

... and a MINUTE PERCENTAGE of NASA's 18,000 (odd) staff
I daresay this is why this, supposed, "letter" was not deemed mainstream newsworthy
... and left to the conspiracy web-sites


is that right?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-climate-change/

don't give up your day job of just "making stuff up" it seems to be the only thing you are good at...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:48am
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:29am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:28am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:11pm:
True Blue and Longweekend58 are more embarrassed than anybody about this issue. They have been forced to do a lot of defensive shovelling and they are tired and emotional.



embarrassed by what?  a letter co-signed by some of the most educated and influential scientists and engineers of our time?




Does this "letter" actually EXIST ?
The site is NOTORIUS for publishing unverified
BULLSH!T

It seems to have stolen the "crown" from rense.com










No matter what site members post you say the exact same thing ..., "oh that site is proven BS"

Then you provide no proof of your empty allegations ... in fact... you are just out and out lying...








The 49-person letter was organized by Leighton Steward, chairman of Plants Need CO2, a non-profit
with ties to the coal industry.



In a statement, Mr. Steward said that NASA’s climate research could not only damage the reputation of the U.S. space program but the “reputation of science itself.”

Keith Cowing, editor of the website NASA Watch, noted that the undersigners, most of whom have engineering backgrounds, worked almost exclusively at the Houston-based Johnson Space Centre,
a facility almost entirely removed from NASA’s climate change arm
.


“They do mission operations and human spaceflight design, period,” said Mr. Cowing.

“What these men and women are not is climate scientists,” wrote Houston-based science writer Eric Berger in a Wednesday blog post. “
Most are not even scientists
in the sense that they have pursued scientific research during their careers, in any discipline.”












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Reply #27 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:49am
 
NBNMyths wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:
Sorted by skeptical science a year ago:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/NASA-retirees-letter2.html

Oh, and your "H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2" is actually a retired oil and gas corporate executive. What a surprise.


skeptical science site?


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Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims


Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.

Global warming alarmist John Cook, founder of the misleadingly named blog site Skeptical Science, published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.”

As is the case with other ‘surveys’ alleging an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming, the question surveyed had absolutely nothing to do with the issues of contention between global warming alarmists and global warming skeptics. The question Cook and his alarmist colleagues surveyed was simply whether humans have caused some global warming. The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action.

Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed.


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Reply #29 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Investigative journalists at Popular Technology looked into precisely which papers were classified within Cook’s asserted 97 percent. The investigative journalists found Cook and his colleagues strikingly classified papers by such prominent, vigorous skeptics as Willie Soon, Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir Shaviv, Nils-Axel Morner and Alan Carlin as supporting the 97-percent consensus.

Cook and his colleagues, for example, classified a peer-reviewed paper by scientist Craig Idso as explicitly supporting the ‘consensus’ position on global warming “without minimizing” the asserted severity of global warming. When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion’s share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”

When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.

“Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. “What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

“What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006,” Scafetta added.

Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv similarly objected to Cook and colleagues claiming he explicitly supported the ‘consensus’ position about human-induced global warming. Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope… it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”

“I couldn’t write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don’t have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper,” Shaviv added.

To manufacture their misleading asserted consensus, Cook and his colleagues also misclassified various papers as taking “no position” on human-caused global warming. When Cook and his colleagues determined a paper took no position on the issue, they simply pretended, for the purpose of their 97-percent claim, that the paper did not exist.

Morner, a sea level scientist, told Popular Technology that Cook classifying one of his papers as “no position” was “Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”

Soon, an astrophysicist, similarly objected to Cook classifying his paper as “no position.”

“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct,” said Soon.

“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.

Viewing the Cook paper in the best possible light, Cook and colleagues can perhaps claim a small amount of wiggle room in their classifications because the explicit wording of the question they analyzed is simply whether humans have caused some global warming. By restricting the question to such a minimalist, largely irrelevant question in the global warming debate and then demanding an explicit, unsolicited refutation of the assertion in order to classify a paper as a ‘consensus’ contrarian, Cook and colleagues misleadingly induce people to believe 97 percent of publishing scientists believe in a global warming crisis when that is simply not the case.

Misleading the public about consensus opinion regarding global warming, of course, is precisely what the Cook paper sought to accomplish. This is a tried and true ruse perfected by global warming alarmists. Global warming alarmists use their own biased, subjective judgment to misclassify published papers according to criteria that is largely irrelevant to the central is
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