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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #90 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:33am

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

It rarely happens in the real world and a lot has changed since you were a young bank teller all those many many years ago. And besides we all know how bankers prescribe austerity for the real workers in the community but never intend those rules to apply to themselves.

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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #91 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #92 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:48am

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

It used to happen in the 80s but it doesn't happen anymore.

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Reply #93 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

It used to happen in the 80s but it doesn't happen anymore.

I even used to do something similar with my staff when I was painting ..... if we finished painting a house at 1pm, and I had no other work for the day, I sent them home, but still paid them up to 5pm. The flip side of that was that if they needed to stay an extra hour to finish a job the next day, they would and I wouldn't pay overtime.

I know if worked more in their favour than it did in mine .... the most they would stay behind would be an hour, but often they would go home early at about lunch time. I didn't mind.

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Reply #94 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:14am

I remember in the 1970's we didn't get paid overtime or for working odd hours, it was called 'flexi time'.
So we worked extra time every day, up to the amount of a full day's work to accumulate to then be able to take one day a fortnight off.
It was a choice if we wanted to work the extra time or not. So it was a bonus to do so, and have a day off with full pay, which was awesome.

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Reply #95 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:15am

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

Yes.

The assistant Swagmen get lots of paid under-time because I'm such a good boss.

....and if they try to claim overtime I remind them of that.

Good old common sense wins out.

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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #96 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:17am

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

Yes.

The assistant Swagmen get lots of paid under-time because I'm such a good boss.

....and if they try to claim overtime I remind them of that.

Good old common sense wins out.

not quite the same thing as simply been paid undertime. you are in effect trading one for the other ... they still get paid overtime, but by way of more undertime rather than money

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Reply #97 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:54am

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Unpaid overtime works both ways.

As a young fella I was a bank teller. Opening hours (as they are now) were (Mon Thur) 9.30 - 4pm (5pm Fri) but we were supposed to work from 8.30am to 5pm (45 minute lunch).

Our work hours were officially 8hrs a day and we got a roster day once a month.

Most days we'd balance and scoot by 4.15pm but technically we were supposed to work until 5pm. So most days we got paid for 1hr we didn't work.

I guess you'd call this paid under-time.... Grin

This never rates a mention.

Huh

times have changed to those you experienced 50 yrs ago ...... do you see a lot of that happening today?

Yes.

The assistant Swagmen get lots of paid under-time because I'm such a good boss.

....and if they try to claim overtime I remind them of that.

Good old common sense wins out.

Thats called "time in lieu"

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty. Reply #98 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01am The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:54am: Thats called "time in lieu" time in lieu.....flexi time.......paid under-time........all conveniently forgotten when unpaid overtime is brought up
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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #99 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:14am

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Thats called "time in lieu"

time in lieu.....flexi time.......paid under-time........all conveniently forgotten when unpaid overtime is brought up Sad

rubbish ... time in lieu is not a benefit, it's earned in exchange for something else, usually working extra hours. If you work overtime you should be rewarded for it, either with extra money, extra time off with pay etc. To expect people to work overtime just so that head office can meet your targets is rubbish.

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Reply #100 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:38am

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Thats called "time in lieu"

time in lieu.....flexi time.......paid under-time........all conveniently forgotten when unpaid overtime is brought up Sad

rubbish ... time in lieu is not a benefit, it's earned in exchange for something else, usually working extra hours. If you work overtime you should be rewarded for it, either with extra money, extra time off with pay etc. To expect people to work overtime just so that head office can meet your targets is rubbish.

Hmmm, you should see someone about that Bi-polar disorder Smithy?

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

I even used to do something similar with my staff when I was painting ..... if we finished painting a house at 1pm, and I had no other work for the day, I sent them home, but still paid them up to 5pm. The flip side of that was that if they needed to stay an extra hour to finish a job the next day, they would and I wouldn't pay overtime

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Reply #101 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:49am

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More than two million Australians in poverty

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October 14, 2012

Needless to say, it's utter nonsense.

People are pouring into Australia to get onto the gravy train of a well paying job, or a Paid Unemployment lifestyle, or some phoney 'Disability Support Pension' that's signed off by one of their compatriot doctors here in Australia who are regularly used for these nefarious purposes.

"Two million living in poverty" translates as two million living beyond the scope of their welfare payments, with the high probability of heavy drinking and smoking being part of their weekly budget.

I see these 'impoverished Australians' at the taxi stands every time I go to town. It's always the same spectacle ~ only different people.

Both with cigarettes in hand, he carries the carton of VB, while the pregnant girlfriend tends to the toddler and the baby in the pram.

Self-made poverty should not count in the statistics.

They're even paying people to ship them to where the Australian navy will provide them with an escort service to temporary accommodation and meals while they're waiting to have their 'country-shopper' credentials

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Reply #102 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:19pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Thats called "time in lieu"

time in lieu.....flexi time.......paid under-time........all conveniently forgotten when unpaid overtime is brought up Sad

rubbish ... time in lieu is not a benefit, it's earned in exchange for something else, usually working extra hours. If you work overtime you should be rewarded for it, either with extra money, extra time off with pay etc. To expect people to work overtime just so that head office can meet your targets is rubbish.

Hmmm, you should see someone about that Bi-polar disorder Smithy?

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

I even used to do something similar with my staff when I was painting ..... if we finished painting a house at 1pm, and I had no other work for the day, I sent them home, but still paid them up to 5pm. The flip side of that was that if they needed to stay an extra hour to finish a job the next day, they would and I wouldn't pay overtime

was that to difficult for you? Exchanging overtime for extra time off is not working overtime for free. It's not a benefit, it was earned. There is a difference. I have no problem with trading one hour for another, but to expect others to work overtime out of the goodness of their hearts is ridiculous. You did specify UNPAID overtime didn't you?

you said something about bi polar ..... you should check that out further.

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Re: How Many Australians Are Living In Poverty.
Reply #103 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

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More than two million Australians in poverty

Date
October 14, 2012

Needless to say, it's utter nonsense.

People are pouring into Australia to get onto the gravy train of a well paying job, or a Paid Unemployment lifestyle, or some phoney 'Disability Support Pension' that's signed off by one of their compatriot doctors here in Australia who are regularly used for these nefarious purposes.

"Two million living in poverty" translates as two million living beyond the scope of their welfare payments, with the high probability of heavy drinking and smoking being part of their weekly budget.

I see these 'impoverished Australians' at the taxi stands every time I go to town. It's always the same spectacle ~ only different people.

Both with cigarettes in hand, he carries the carton of VB, while the pregnant girlfriend tends to the toddler and the baby in the pram.

Self-made poverty should not count in the statistics.

They're even paying people to ship them to where the Australian navy will provide them with an escort service to temporary accommodation and meals while they're waiting to have their 'country-shopper' credentials

Come on Herb. How do you KNOW these people of the VB and the fags at the cab rank are dole or pension recipients...

They could be hard working drug dealers or something.. truckie on a break from long haul - they all look the same.,...

I'm on DSP and I haven't caught a cab for years, I get 3-4 beers a fortnight, and I don't smoke and haven't had the money to even visit my two new grand-daughters.

EAT ME!

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Reply #104 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 1:21pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Come on Herb. How do you KNOW these people of the VB and the fags at the cab rank are dole or pension recipients...

They could be hard working drug dealers or something.. truckie on a break from long haul - they all look the same.,...

I'm on DSP and I haven't caught a cab for years, I get 3-4 beers a fortnight, and I don't smoke and haven't had the money to even visit my two new grand-daughters.

EAT ME!
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I wouldn't want to be those poor wretched creatures standing there at the taxi ranks hanging onto every mistake they ever made in life. I pity them.

And I understand perfectly why they don't want to work. I didn't want to work. I never did want to work.

8 hours a day, 5 days a week ~ is pure insanity. As a lifestyle it's the pits. I'd rather be a rustic fellow in the Middle Ages making a nice living out of poaching for rabbits and foxes on a Lord's country estate than work as we do in the West.

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