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Reply #15 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:03pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:01pm:
Hmm - average high temperatures predicted for Sydney in January = 26 deg.. hardly a heat wave....

Maybe he's got a point.....
Depends which part of Sydney. The western suburbs where most people live will be 37 deg.
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Reply #16 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:38pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.


Exactly ..

Next thing setanta will be trying to tell us that the UN isn't trying to get tax payers money by guise of man made global warming ...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:48pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:38pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.


Exactly ..

Next thing setanta will be trying to tell us that the UN isn't trying to get tax payers money by guise of man made global warming ...  Roll Eyes


Well considering you are putting words in my mouth when it's you in fact making the claim the UN is trying to get tax payers money, how about you put up? Got a link?
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Reply #18 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:07pm
 
oh come on...

have you not heard of the Warsaw climate conference?

Cabinet has decided that Australia will not increase its financing for climate change action in developing countries. At the Warsaw climate conference, Australia is making clear that it will not even discuss the issue.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/dinosaurs-block-climate-action-in-land-of-coal-201...

good work Tony... tell them they're dreaming..  Wink
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Reply #19 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
and like Armchair has already said...

the governments will pick it's own mouth pieces scientists to go write for the ICPP...

they will write exactly what the government wants them to or else they'll lose their jobs....

hardly a scientific body is it?

it's a government body pushing internal government issues...

nothing scientific about that..  Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:30pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:10pm:
and like Armchair has already said...

the governments will pick it's own mouth pieces scientists to go write for the ICPP...

they will write exactly what the government wants them to or else they'll lose their jobs....

hardly a scientific body is it?

it's a government body pushing internal government issues...

nothing scientific about that..  Roll Eyes


Why would Governments want scientists to lie about climate change.....It would be a conspiracy of monumental proportions involving Governments across the world of every persuasion.....Major scientific organisations across the Globe would have to be part of the conspiracy and keep it secret.....I have no doubt Tony Abbott and the Coalition are also part of this conspiracy as they support AGW and will spend billions making someone rich but it will not be scientists....Complete rubbish from the fringe IMO!!!

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Reply #21 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:45pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:01pm:
Hmm - average high temperatures predicted for Sydney in January = 26 deg.. hardly a heat wave....

Maybe he's got a point.....

Wouldnt that make it global cooling as the opposite (high temps) make it global warming to the AGW loons
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Reply #22 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
phil.. here's why...

Why would an organization that claims to be scientific, that says it is conducting a scientific assessment, produce a report that is skewed rather than objective? There are many pieces to this jigsaw puzzle, but a large one is this: Strictly speaking, the IPCC is not - and has never been - a scientific body. Individual scientists do not belong to the IPCC. Nations do. That's why the IPCC tells us what country its authors represent and almost nothing else. International political considerations always come first at the IPCC. Scientific credibility comes second. The IPCC has never asked the science academies of the world to identify the top experts in a number of fields - and then systematically recruited only those people. Instead, nominations are sought from governments.

This is a problem for a few reasons. In democratic countries, governments rise and fall. A US administration in which Al Gore was Vice President regarded climate issues differently than the next administration, in which Dick Cheney was VP. This means that the political philosophy of whoever happens to be in office influences the IPCC author nomination process. Add in the fact that a country's environment ministry is usually the contact point for the IPCC and the problem becomes clearer. In many European countries, minority Green Party politicians are awarded the environment portfolio. Since it's unlikely that an environment department run by a Green Party politician would nominate the same list of experts as an environment department run by a Tory party politician, it becomes obvious that the selection of experts is colored by political - rather than scientific - considerations. In countries that are not democracies, ruling cliques retain their position via secret police and military force. Staying on the good side of those in charge is vitally important. There are many places in this worldwhere, if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person, the authorities break down your door in the middle of the night and drag you and your family off to prison. Let us not be naive. How likely is it that world-class scientific experts will emerge from the chaos, corruption, and widespread poverty common in undemocratic countries? Even more to the point: Why would we suppose that those nominated for IPCC duty by unsavory governments are at liberty to form independent scientific conclusions? They would be courageous people, indeed, to adopt a position counter to the one decreed by their political bosses. This is why the claim that the IPCC consists of scientists from 113 countries who've all independently come to the same conclusions is so misleading. All told, there are 195 nations in the world. According to the UN itself only a small fraction are developed economies. On this list are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Japan, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands, the UK and the US.
That makes a grand total of 19. Add in Russia, China, and Israel and the number of countries in a position to nurture first-class educational and research facilities is still less than two dozen. The moment it was decided that the job of identifying the world's top scientific experts should be handed over to politicians from more than 100 countries (rather than to a handful of prestigious science academies) was the moment the IPCC ceased to be a scientific body. Peel another layer from the onion, and things get even stickier. Earlier I mentioned that the NOAA - the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - devoted a page in one of its publications to celebrating its employees' involvement with the IPCC. According to that page "more than 120 NOAA scientists contributed" to the 2007 Climate Bible. In itself, that is a startling number. A single US government organization had 120 employees taking part in IPCC activities. Is every last one of them really a world-class expert?
But there's an even more important question: Were these people truly free to come to their own, independent conclusions as IPCC authors? Were they provided with written assurance that, should their scientific conscience lead them in a direction at odds with the organization that pays their salary, they were at liberty to follow their conscience? The IPCC is supposed to objectively evaluate the scientific literature regarding climate change. But if 120 of the IPCC's personnel are from the NOAA, and if the NOAA has already decided that human activity is causing climate change, how neutral can these people be expected to be? The NOAA has spent a ton of money on climate models that have, in turn, been used by the IPCC to make its arguments. The NOAA is therefore unlikely to be a workplace where people will receive promotions for questioning the climate change party line. In this regard, an anecdote from The Climate Caper, a book by an Australian atmospheric scientist, is illuminating:

In the early nineties I was involved in setting up an Antarctic research centre...to examine the role of Antarctica and the Southern Ocean in global climate. I made the error at the time of mentioning in a media interview - reported extensively in 'The Australian' on a slow Easter Sunday - that there were still lots of doubts about the disaster potential of global warming. Suffice it to say that within a couple of days it was
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Reply #23 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:49pm
 
it was made very clear to me from the highest levels of  [Australia's premier scientific body - CSIRO] that, should I make such public comments again, then it would pull out of the process of forming the new Centre...[which] would have killed the whole thing dead... The author, Garth Paltridge, goes on to say that at the time he gave his interview, the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) was attempting to secure additional funding from the Australian government. Now that he is retired and able to speak freely, Paltridge points out that most science research money is provided by governments. It then gets distributed via a handful of funding agencies run by administrators. Science administrators are always eager to expand their budgets. Over the past 20 years they've learned that sounding climate alarm bells is an effective way to secure additional resources. They understand perfectly that it's in their interest to ride the climate wave. This means that scientists who raise uncomfortable questions - or who voice doubts to journalists - risk offending those in charge of the purse strings. Like Paltridge, they discover that their own funding may evaporate if they don't keep their mouths shut. The inevitable result, says Paltridge, is that political leaders seeking straight answers now have "nowhere to turn for a second opinion." Scientific institutions have adopted a point-of-view on climate change because that point-of-view serves these institutions' financial interests. This is a grim conclusion, since it implies that even if science bodies were nominating experts to work on the Climate Bible, the situation might not be significantly better. No one, it seems, now considers it their role to safeguard the integrity of science itself. Toward the end of his book, Paltridge discusses the social psychology of the climate science world. He paints a picture in which too many people are graduating with research science credentials than can reasonably be employed in their fields. It's therefore not uncommon for bright, highly trained people to find themselves in a rut, doing unsatisfying work that is unlikely to win them much notice. And then along comes the IPCC. It offers them a sense of purpose, an opportunity to be a hero, a chance to save the world. It invites them to meetings in exotic locales. It links their name to a Nobel prize. It gives the media a reason to treat them like celebrities. Many people would find all of this intoxicating. Some of them, surely, might be tempted to swallow their personal misgivings, to tell themselves that all those other smart people must be right about the climate change threat even if they themselves aren't entirely persuaded.

Laframboise, Donna (2011-10-09). The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert
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Reply #24 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:15pm
 
Hellooooooooo!!!!!!

Where has everyone gone???

This happens every time you put the truth in the faces of the Climate Disciples,

They do a disappearing act...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:28pm
 
Ha, Ha.


Donna Laframboise is a Canadian feminist,[1] journalist, writer, and photographer. She holds a degree in women's studies...




I dont go to my dentist to get my car fixed. You shouldnt ask a feminist about science.

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Reply #26 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:44pm
 
Does Donna Laframboise know how to change a clutch plate in a 1990 Commodore ?

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Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:27pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:15pm:
Hellooooooooo!!!!!!

Where has everyone gone???

This happens every time you put the truth in the faces of the Climate Disciples,

They do a disappearing act...  Roll Eyes


You went too far into lala land for me to bother continuing. Firstly you claimed the UN was ripping off tax payers, when asked for evidence, you put up 1st world countries trying to come to agreement to help 3rd world countries as evidence. Are these countries the UN? No, so we are still back to your original conspiracy theory. Then you post that long piece of twaddle as evidence of some world wide conspiracy. Sorry, you won't have me discussing that sort of crap so if me giving up because you're too loony to talk to is a win to you,  Roll Eyes
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