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Must Have Thought December 31 Was April Fools Day.
Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:53pm
 
Maurice Newman's flat-earth thinking ignores climate change facts

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    January 1, 2014
Canberra Times

Maurice Newman is chairman of the Prime Minister's Business Advisory Council. He must have thought that December 31 was April Fool's Day when he wrote an opinion piece in The Australian headed "Crowds go cold on climate cost".      Grin

He once again revealed his opinions on climate change science when he wrote "the scientific delusion, the religion behind the climate crusade, is crumbling" and "Australia, too, has become hostage to climate change madness".


Professor David Karoly says the evidence of climate change is clear.

His piece is a mix of common climate change myths, misinformation and ideology. While Mr Newman is welcome to his opinions, his writing reveals his sad misunderstanding of the facts about climate change. 


As Upton Sinclair wrote, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

Fortunately, the Prime Minister Tony Abbott, the Minister for the Environment Greg Hunt and the Australian government say they accept the science of climate change, as do the Australian Labor Party and the Greens.
Tony Abbott's top business adviser Maurice Newman says climate change policies have ruined Australia's manufacturing sector.

Tony Abbott's top business adviser Maurice Newman says there is no evidence that climate change policies are needed.      Sad

The key conclusions on climate change science from the Australian Academy of Science, the Royal Society of London and the US National Academy of Science have been confirmed with even greater confidence by the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), released in September 2013.

They include:

    There is no doubt that the climate system has warmed over the past 100 years and continues to warm.

    It is beyond reasonable doubt that human influences, through burning fossil fuels, industrial activity and land clearing, have been the main cause of the observed global warming since the mid 20th century.

    Continued emissions of greenhouse gases from human activity will cause further warming and changes in all components of the climate system.

    Limiting climate change will require substantial and sustained reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.

Mr Newman writes that "global temperatures have gone nowhere for 17 years", but the global average surface temperature has warmed over the period 1997 to 2013, ocean heat content has increased significantly, and Arctic sea ice extent has declined, all showing clearly the continued warming of the climate system.

Australia has just set a new record in 2013 for the hottest calendar year temperature averaged across the whole country, unprecedented in more than a hundred years of instrumental observations and outside the range that can be explained by natural variability alone.

He also writes "when necessary the IPCC resorts to dishonesty and deceit", but none of the many independent inquiries in the US and the UK into scientists involved in the IPCC have found any evidence to support these claims.

Unlike Mr Newman, leading international energy and economic organisations, such as the International Energy Agency and the World Bank, have accepted the science of climate change and released reports recently on the opportunities for business and industry around the world to transform to a new sustainable, low-carbon economy and away from the old fossil fuel driven economy.

Indeed, Mr Abbott, Mr Hunt and the Australian government have accepted that action on reducing greenhouse gas emissions in Australia is needed because it is in Australia's national interest as part of global action to minimise dangerous climate change.

I would not choose a person who believes that the Earth is flat to advise Australian shipping or airline businesses on how to plan routes to travel around the world. It is clearly not sensible to have a person who believes that climate change science is a delusion as leader of the Prime Minister's Business Advisory Council.

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Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:56pm
 
Mr Newman has contradicted the Prime Minister and argued against the government's commitments to take action to fight climate change by reducing Australia's greenhouse gas emissions.

David Karoly is Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Melbourne and a member of the Climate Change Authority, which provides independent advice to the government on Australia's emissions reduction targets, and other climate change initiatives.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/maurice-newmans-flatearth-thinking-ignores-climate-change-facts-20140101-305h6.html#ixzz2p7TVvk3I
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:56pm
 
Did he mention anything about petrol prices going through the roof since one term tony took office?
So much for a lower cost of living and lower energy prices under a phony tony govt  Grin
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Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:59pm
 
Under the ALP during the previous 6 years, every day was April Fools day for that bunch of incompetents who were trying (and failing) to run the country!
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Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm
 
He's not fit to be in the role and should be sacked. He clearly has preconceived subjective opinions that cannot be dispelled by an objective examination of the available science. A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.
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His piece is a mix of common climate change myths, misinformation and ideology. While Mr Newman is welcome to his opinions, his writing reveals his sad misunderstanding of the facts about climate change.      Sad
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Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:36pm
 
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His piece is a mix of common climate change myths, misinformation and ideology. While Mr Newman is welcome to his opinions, his writing reveals his sad misunderstanding of the facts about climate change.      Sad


Its just the usual rubbish pushed by the denialists who really dont give a toss about the effects of pollution on the planet as long as they can move the problem on to their kids and grandkids.
The real question should be "do we really want to listen to anyone who would lumber their grandkids with a problem that they should be confronting?"
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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:59pm:
Under the ALP during the previous 6 years, every day was April Fools day for that bunch of incompetents who were trying (and failing) to run the country!



Same old untruths, over and over again.

You should be banned for trolling.
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Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry
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Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry
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Reply #10 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.
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Reply #11 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:49pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.


If you're not addressing anything I said, why respond to me? Have another read, I was calling out Blue on the UN gravy train. Is there such a thing for the voluntary work these researchers do? No? Good, glad you can see Blue is just talking crap. Roll Eyes
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Re: Must Have Thought December 31 Was April Fools Day.
Reply #12 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:52pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.


If you're not addressing anything I said, why respond to me? Have another read, I was calling out Blue on the UN gravy train. Is there such a thing for the voluntary work these researchers do? No? Good, glad you can see Blue is just talking crap. Roll Eyes


I could care less what immature criteria you try to place on allowing me to respond to you. I'll do as I wish, thanks.
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Re: Must Have Thought December 31 Was April Fools Day.
Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:01pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:52pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
A science adviser should have a neutral and objective scientific viewpoint that is formulated from a rigorous examination of the available evidence - both for and against.


That's right, and everything the ICPP "isn't " ...

Full of activists and stooges who are on the UN gravy train ... its a bloody disgrace ... like the Labor government hiring Flannery to be the Climate Change Commissioner...

But he wouldn't care... he's had his pockets filled with tax payers money to say what the Labrat/Greentard coalition wanted him to say... Angry


Do you know what this UN gravy train pays them? I'll give you a clue, nothing, absolutely nothing, it's voluntary. It's a disgrace isn't it? Cry


The scientists are funded by governments around the world, hence the name "Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change" IPCC. You really think those governments (our own previous Labor government included) will include scientists who they do not see eye-to-eye with? You really think scientists on the panel that rely on government funding for their jobs will publish findings that are against what those governments want to see? If they did, they would surely be unemployed rather quickly. A group of scientists last year set up a non-governmental panel on climate change to bring balance to the debate and it would be fair to say they have the more credibility given their purse strings aren't attached to any governments - they're entirely independent.


If you're not addressing anything I said, why respond to me? Have another read, I was calling out Blue on the UN gravy train. Is there such a thing for the voluntary work these researchers do? No? Good, glad you can see Blue is just talking crap. Roll Eyes


I could care less what immature criteria you try to place on allowing me to respond to you. I'll do as I wish, thanks.


I didn't put any criteria on you, it was a question. There was not "thou shall not" so it'd be nice if you could be mature enough not to put words in my mouth. It added nothing to what I said to Blue and would have made more sense as a separate post. Good you're not denying Blue was full of it though. Shocked
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Re: Must Have Thought December 31 Was April Fools Day.
Reply #14 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 6:01pm
 
Hmm - average high temperatures predicted for Sydney in January = 26 deg.. hardly a heat wave....

Maybe he's got a point.....
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