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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144194 Gender:	Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit Reply #75 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:58pm: See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do. Hmmm.
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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #76 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:58pm:

See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do.

Hmmm.

Yes, you linger on that typo, really think long and hard on what my typo really means about me as a person.

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Reply #77 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:05pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:58pm:

See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do.

Hmmm.

Yes, you linger on that typo, really think long and hard on what my typo really means about me as a person.

No need to think too long, or hard.

We've all got a pretty good idea.

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Reply #78 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Low level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ...

Agreed.

So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.

Stinging motorists who break the law.

Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals". Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label.

So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #79 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law?

i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ...

In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #80 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:10pm

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Low level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ...

Agreed.

So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.

Stinging motorists who break the law.

Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals". Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label.

So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

No, Honky. Not at all.

You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22.

Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime.

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Reply #81 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law?

i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ...

In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

You said: "Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone".

School zones are 40 kph.

Therefore, the officer would have booked you for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #82 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:10pm:

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Low level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ...

Agreed.

So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.

Stinging motorists who break the law.

Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals". Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label.

So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

No, Honky. Not at all.

You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22.

Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime.

What if they were speeding in an organised manner?

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #83 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:13pm

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:10pm:

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Low level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ...

Agreed.

So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.

Stinging motorists who break the law.

Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals". Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label.

So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

No, Honky. Not at all.

You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22.

Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime.

What if they were speeding in an organised manner?

Now we're talkin'!

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #84 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:29pm:

muso wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 1:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Exactly.

People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means.

Hey Greg - They're only 95-100% sure that a given motorist is speeding. So the science isn't settled. It's just a theory.

And that's why they get their chance to argue their case in court.

Typical speedist response. Tongue

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit Reply #85 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:41pm If an abbo got fined doing 1 k over and did half his dole cheque Ggreggorry would be up in arms. He loves the idea of poor hardworking aussies getting done.
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Reply #86 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:04pm

*No speedo is accurate to within 1km. Even if your speedo says 60 it could be 58, it could be 62, etc.
*Even if the speedometer is 100% spot on tyre pressures and wear can change it. So even if it is 100% correct, it would only be in optimal situations and not the real world.
*It is practically impossible to keep exactly at the right speed. For one you have to have your eyes on the road most of the time, and therefore you can't just sit there looking at the speedo the entire trip. Secondly depending on your angle of view your speed can change by a few kms making it hard to know exactly how fast you are actually going. Add to the fact that on most cars there is only a few mm between 60kph and 70kph on most speedometers and again it is nearly impossible to tell the difference between 61 and 60kph. Lastly, just a change of gear, a sudden tail wind, or a slight change in gradient can cause the car to speed up by 1kph in a second. How could anyone reasonably keep track of a 1kph change in speed?

Now take all that and remember that the same applies to the police car as well, plus he has to know for fact that he is matching the car in front perfectly. Perfectly! Just because he is doing 61 doesn't mean the car in front is doing over 60. 1kph is only 27cm per second. It is not that easy to keep one eye on the speedo and know for a fact that you are doing 61kph, as well as knowing that you are not slowly creeping up to the car in front as little as 1/4 a meter per second. Not unless you were dangerously close to the car in front in the first place...

There is simply way to much doubt to prove this person was actually breaking the law. Trust the peccerhead to ignore that simple fact and try to stick to the law is the law type argument and not consider that the person fined may not have been breaking the law in the first place.

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Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit
Reply #87 - Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law?

i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ...

In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

You said: "Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone".

School zones are 40 kph.

Therefore, the officer would have booked you for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

And that's the point of contention. I claimed that I was outside a school zone, based on the fact that I had passed a 60kmh sign. That allowed me to speed up to 56kmh and still be within the speed limit. An officer claiming that the speed reading was inside a 40kmh zone, when he showed pictures that were deemed otherwise, meant that I shouldn't have received the infringement notice.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Fined for going 1km/h over the speed limit Reply #88 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:04am UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm: No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it. That doesn't surprise me one iota.
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Reply #89 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:05am

Quantum wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:04pm:

*No speedo is accurate to within 1km. Even if your speedo says 60 it could be 58, it could be 62, etc.
*Even if the speedometer is 100% spot on tyre pressures and wear can change it. So even if it is 100% correct, it would only be in optimal situations and not the real world.
*It is practically impossible to keep exactly at the right speed. For one you have to have your eyes on the road most of the time, and therefore you can't just sit there looking at the speedo the entire trip. Secondly depending on your angle of view your speed can change by a few kms making it hard to know exactly how fast you are actually going. Add to the fact that on most cars there is only a few mm between 60kph and 70kph on most speedometers and again it is nearly impossible to tell the difference between 61 and 60kph. Lastly, just a change of gear, a sudden tail wind, or a slight change in gradient can cause the car to speed up by 1kph in a second. How could anyone reasonably keep track of a 1kph change in speed?

Now take all that and remember that the same applies to the police car as well, plus he has to know for fact that he is matching the car in front perfectly. Perfectly! Just because he is doing 61 doesn't mean the car in front is doing over 60. 1kph is only 27cm per second. It is not that easy to keep one eye on the speedo and know for a fact that you are doing 61kph, as well as knowing that you are not slowly creeping up to the car in front as little as 1/4 a meter per second. Not unless you were dangerously close to the car in front in the first place...

There is simply way to much doubt to prove this person was actually breaking the law. Trust the peccerhead to ignore that simple fact and try to stick to the law is the law type argument and not consider that the person fined may not have been breaking the law in the first place.

Good post.

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