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Reply #75 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 7:27am

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:44pm:

A professor wants to retrace Mawson's route a hundred years later - and gets stuck in smacking ice.

After a hundred years, after countless fvckn climate models, satellites, weather stations, computers, improved ship building technology, climate modelling, weather data, five fvckn IPCC reports - and he is stuck in the ice.

Your education dollars at work.

Might be time to charge these scientists for the massive expense incurred for their rescue... So not only wrong...but irresponsible...tsk, tsk, tsk.... shakes head.

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Reply #76 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Antarctic ice has rarely been more extensive - is that weather? But when arctic ice shrinks - that's climate.
Is that how it works? Scary bad news - climate. Good news/no news - weather.

Anyway, the explanation for the ice-trapped ship was that AGW made sea water less salty (melting icebergs - thus making it 'more vulnerable to freezing'.
So the explanation for the ice trap was not weather but AGW - ie climate.

Weather is a short term phenomenon. Climate is long term, measuring change over at least 30 years.

So your argument is that the models got it wrong. Of course, you don't know which models, and you don't know what their actual prediction was for that particular area, so you really don't know if they got it wrong at all. You assume. In fact, I doubt if you even know the exact location or the extent of the sea ice. All you know for sure is that a few ships got trapped in ice and that there was more ice than usual, and that certain vacuous idiots are giggling about it, so you decided to add a few inane giggles of your own.

You assume that global warming means that the entire globe will warm at the same rate from year to year and that there will be no local cooling effects whatsoever. You also assume that some predictions as yet unknown predict less sea ic in the Antarctic.

Soren, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's not unusual for ships to get caught in sea ice.

Please feel free to correct my perception of your argument, but from where I stand, it's not much of an argument at all.

It might be hot as hell right now, but there might be something in that Kool aid that you're drinking that severely affects your judgement. All you seem to have is an amazing collection of strawmen and totally wrong assumptions.

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Reply #77 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:39am

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Antarctic ice has rarely been more extensive - is that weather? But when arctic ice shrinks - that's climate.
Is that how it works? Scary bad news - climate. Good news/no news - weather.

Anyway, the explanation for the ice-trapped ship was that AGW made sea water less salty (melting icebergs - thus making it 'more vulnerable to freezing'.
So the explanation for the ice trap was not weather but AGW - ie climate.

Weather is a short term phenomenon. Climate is long term, measuring change oiver at least 30 years.

So your argument is that the models got it wrong. Of course, you don't know which models, and you don't know what their prediction was for that particular area, so you really don't know if they got it wrong at all. In fact, I doubt if you even know the exact location or the extand of the sea ice. All you know for sure is that a few ships got trapped in ice and that there was more ice than usual.

You assume that global warming means that the entire globe will warm at the same rate from year to year and that there will be no local cooling effects whatsoever. You also assume that some predictions as yet unknown predict less sea ic in the Antarctic.

Soren, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's not unusual for ships to get caught in sea ice.

Please feel free to correct my perception of your argument, but from where I stand, it's not much of an argument at all.

It might be hot as hell right now, but there might be something in that Kool aid that you're drinking that severely affects your judgement. All you seem to have is an amazing collection of strawmen and totally wrong assumptions.

Unless its a localised heat wave. Then its climate......climate change Cheesy

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: More global warming hilarity LOL Reply #78 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:40am A heat wave is weather.
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Reply #79 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:33am

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Antarctic ice has rarely been more extensive - is that weather? But when arctic ice shrinks - that's climate.
Is that how it works? Scary bad news - climate. Good news/no news - weather.

Anyway, the explanation for the ice-trapped ship was that AGW made sea water less salty (melting icebergs - thus making it 'more vulnerable to freezing'.
So the explanation for the ice trap was not weather but AGW - ie climate.

Weather is a short term phenomenon. Climate is long term, measuring change over at least 30 years.

So your argument is that the models got it wrong. Of course, you don't know which models, and you don't know what their actual prediction was for that particular area, so you really don't know if they got it wrong at all. You assume. In fact, I doubt if you even know the exact location or the extent of the sea ice.

Never mind me.
What matters is that a professor specialising in Antarctic climate didn't know. HE must have seen all the models - yet he still got trapped in ice. The SPECIALIST had no idea.It was the vulnerable water that did it.

That's how good these models are.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21653 Gender:	Re: More global warming hilarity LOL Reply #80 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:42am The Greens Senator-elect, along for the ride, tweeted that the researchers counting penguins. dawdled back to the ship, after they were recalled by the captain, due to deteriorating conditions. they apparently took some hours. http://www.janetrice.com.au/?e=98 It wasn't a sudden change that caught them out.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: More global warming hilarity LOL Reply #81 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:44am muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:40am: A heat wave is weather. I take it you forget the recent fires and all the climate change clap trap going on. Yes, you and I both know weather, but only a heat wave weather condition is used and abused by the AGW climate change church
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Reply #82 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:56am

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Soren, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's not unusual for ships to get caught in sea ice.

Please feel free to correct my perception of your argument, but from where I stand, it's not much of an argument at all.

It might be hot as hell right now, but there might be something in that Kool aid that you're drinking that severely affects your judgement. All you seem to have is an amazing collection of strawmen and totally wrong assumptions.

Not at all.

You couldn't make this up: Antarctic climate scientist, with all the models, science, equipment, data and technology and expertise at his disposal - gets stuck in the ice. Hilarious and a massive credibility killer.

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Reply #83 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:18pm

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Weather is a short term phenomenon. Climate is long term, measuring change over at least 30 years.

And who gets to determine what's "short term" and "long term"? Humans.

30 years out of 4.5 billion years is not "long term", by any stretch of the imagination.

This is one of the major reasons why the AGW Church lacks credibility.

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Reply #84 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Weather is a short term phenomenon. Climate is long term, measuring change over at least 30 years.

And who gets to determine what's "short term" and "long term"? Humans.

Well it's actually aardvarks. Roll Eyes

Who other than humans would define a term?

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Reply #85 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Soren, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's not unusual for ships to get caught in sea ice.

Please feel free to correct my perception of your argument, but from where I stand, it's not much of an argument at all.

It might be hot as hell right now, but there might be something in that Kool aid that you're drinking that severely affects your judgement. All you seem to have is an amazing collection of strawmen and totally wrong assumptions.

Not at all.

You couldn't make this up: Antarctic climate scientist, with all the models, science, equipment, data and technology and expertise at his disposal - gets stuck in the ice. Hilarious and a massive credibility killer.

Pray tell me how a climate model that shows a temperature increase of 0.4 degrees per decade could possibly help in out in such a circumstance?

It's a little bit like using this map to navigate the London Underground.

Har har har. He's got a map that covers the whole world but gets lost in the London Underground.

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Reply #86 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

A heat wave is weather.

I take it you forget the recent fires and all the climate change clap trap going on. Yes, you and I both know weather, but only a heat wave weather condition is used and abused by the AGW climate change church

Which denomination?

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Reply #87 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:11pm

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

A heat wave is weather.

I take it you forget the recent fires and all the climate change clap trap going on. Yes, you and I both know weather, but only a heat wave weather condition is used and abused by the AGW climate change church

Which denomination?

The looniest

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Reply #88 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

muso wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

A heat wave is weather.

I take it you forget the recent fires and all the climate change clap trap going on. Yes, you and I both know weather, but only a heat wave weather condition is used and abused by the AGW climate change church

Which denomination?

The looniest

Clouds say what????? Shocked

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: More global warming hilarity LOL Reply #89 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 3:56pm Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:52pm: Three post from the dead horse flocker - and none of them makes any sense. No fvckn mental climate change THERE!!!!! I blame the oxigen. It should be turned orf. Clouds say what?????
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