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Re: More global warming hilarity LOL
Reply #165 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:52pm

'The IPCC's charter from the outset has been ''to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation''.

The IPCC's focus is therefore very specific - any human influence on climate. It has no mandate to examine other causes of climate change. IPCC assessment reports claim that the human influence is significant but look closely and we find the claims are based on the output of climate models that the IPCC admits are seriously flawed, that the IPCC often asserts a level of certainty that the data cannot sustain and that as ''Climategate'' showed us, a clique of scientists has in the past sought to control the material cited by these reports.
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What starts out being a scientific report becomes a political instrument because after a hard-core group of IPCC supporters draft the Summary for Policymakers, government representatives discuss, negotiate and eventually agree on the wording of each sentence. The scientific component of the report is then modified to better align it with the thinking of government representatives.

If the IPCC reports were accepted for exactly what they are - exaggerated science with a large dollop of politics - this would be the end of the matter. Unfortunately, various bodies actively encourage us to believe the reports are entirely scientific, accurate and completely authoritative on all climate matters, this despite the IPCC's charter and the political interference.'

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change-debate-20140102-307ja.html#ixzz2pcOzEmFi

'John McLean is the author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report. He is also a climate data analyst and a member of the International Climate Science Coalition.'

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change-debate-20140102-307ja.html#ixzz2pcP8FhtC

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Re: More global warming hilarity LOL
Reply #166 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

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If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

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Reply #167 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:45am

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:50pm:

... The idiot comes from skeptical science, ...

Which has reputable scientists prepared to endorse it. If memory serves, Skeptical Science won a prestigious award as well.

What reputable scientist endorse Watts or Nova? What awards have they won?

I don't pretend to know. I'm guided by credible others.

The dribble you speak is pathetic really

Says he who's guided by disreputable others. Roll Eyes

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Reply #168 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:52am

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

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'John McLean is the author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report. He is also a climate data analyst and a member of the International Climate Science Coalition.'

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change-debate-20140102-307ja.html#ixzz2pcP8FhtC

According to his personal home page, John McLean is a Computer consultant and occasional travel photographer. His main contribution has been in providing object lessons in how not to conduct science.

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The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) is a group of climate change skeptics ...

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Web leak shows trail of climate sceptic funding

Date February 18, 2012

THE paper trail connecting the climate change sceptic movement in Australia and the conservative US expert panel the Heartland Institute goes back at least to 2009, ...

The chief science adviser to the International Climate Science Coalition is Bob Carter, an adjunct professor at Queensland's James Cook University.

When the Herald asked Professor Carter if people should be concerned about his impartiality given that he is on the Heartland Institute's payroll, he said: ''No more so than you should be concerned that a CSIRO employee is paid by the government.''
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Reply #169 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:33am

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

Really....your posts are littered with you doing exactly that....so I guess by your own definition you define yourself as a loser. Wink

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Reply #170 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

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Reply #171 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

Do you include "making stuff up" as cherry picking data, and producing a trend line that is the opposite direction of trend lines on the complete data ?

The only way this could be acheived is a deliberate trial and error to find the unusual set of data that matches his desired outcome. This practice is a big no-no is scientific circles.

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Reply #172 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:06am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

Do you include "making stuff up" as cherry picking data, and producing a trend line that is the opposite direction of trend lines on the complete data ?

The only way this could be acheived is a deliberate trial and error to find the unusual set of data that matches his desired outcome. This practice is a big no-no is scientific circles.

Link please

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Reply #173 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:51am

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, ...

Lots here

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Reply #174 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:52am

namnugenot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

Really....your posts are littered with you doing exactly that.... ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

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Reply #175 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:53am

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

Do you include "making stuff up" as cherry picking data, and producing a trend line that is the opposite direction of trend lines on the complete data ?

The only way this could be acheived is a deliberate trial and error to find the unusual set of data that matches his desired outcome. This practice is a big no-no is scientific circles.

Link please

http://wottsupwiththat.com/

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Reply #176 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:57am

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

Do you include "making stuff up" as cherry picking data, and producing a trend line that is the opposite direction of trend lines on the complete data ?

The only way this could be acheived is a deliberate trial and error to find the unusual set of data that matches his desired outcome. This practice is a big no-no is scientific circles.

Link please

Link? What for?. it was a simple question for you to answer.

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Reply #177 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:12am

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

# wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

# wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

...
If you could narrow it down a little ...

Just look at the first page.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Just give me an example.

First you want me to narrow it down. I narrow it down. Then you demand an example.

Moving the goalposts is a loser's game.

So no examples of Watts making stuff up, thankyou for proving me right.

Do you include "making stuff up" as cherry picking data, and producing a trend line that is the opposite direction of trend lines on the complete data ?

The only way this could be acheived is a deliberate trial and error to find the unusual set of data that matches his desired outcome. This practice is a big no-no is scientific circles.

Link please

http://wottsupwiththat.com/

How about you use the more credible link of http://theinterwebzthatalgorecreated.com

Why be specific at all

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Reply #178 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:36am

Now, this is what I call scientific research.....

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychSci...

this is the sort of thing you deniers should be citing as proof of the global warming conspiracy, rather than loopy lezo bloggers.

Summary of results
Rejection of climate science was strongly associated with endorsement of a
laissez-faire view of unregulated free markets. This replicates previous work (e.g., Heath &
Giord, 2006) although the strength of association found here (r ' :80) exceeds that
reported in any extant study. ...

A second variable that was associated with rejection of climate science as well as
other scientic propositions was conspiracist ideation. ...

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Reply #179 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:55am

wootsupwiththat-

'We are me. To make the creepy rock-pokers work harder I’ll stick to just a first name; Ben. I earned a B.Sc. in Geology'

'I started an Earth Sciences Master’s degree shortly afterward'

'have spent my working life mainly in the Information Technology'

http://wottsupwiththat.com/about/

So like Watts, no Climate qualifications. No Statistical background.

Does referring to GISS but not UAH or RSS qualify as cherrypicking? Or is it just data?

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