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Medical body AMA concerned about GP fee option

   
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    December 29, 2013
    The Australian.

A MOVE to impose additional fees on patients to visit their GP could limit access for the disadvantaged, the Australian Medical Association (AMA) believes.

News Corp Australia newspapers have reported that a Commission of Audit into government services has listed co-payments as an option for the federal government to consider.

Co-payments would see patients fork out a fee for bulk-billed visits to the GP.    

A research paper compiled by Prime Minister Tony Abbott's former health adviser suggests a co-payment could reduce GP visit numbers, the report says.

However, AMA president Dr Steve Hambleton says anything that limits people getting to the GP was a concern.

"The group we are very concerned about is Aboriginal people, pensioners and people with limited access," he told AAP.

"If extra costs are imposed, people would have to choose whether they go to the doctor at all."      Sad



Dr Hambleton said the majority of visits to the GP were very "reasonable and helpful" with only a minority causing doctors to ask why they came.

He said a co-payment plan introduced under the Hawke government in the 1990s was significant enough to contribute to a change of prime minister.

"We do need to make sure people have access to primary care," he said.

Dr Hambleton said the focus needed to be on wellness, maintenance and preventative care.

Comment has been sought from the prime minister's office.

However, when asked whether he would consider swapping bulk-billing for a $5 co-payment for bulk-billed consultations, Mr Abbott told News Corp he was not going to flag what might be in the budget.

"Other than to say we need a massive fiscal repair job," he said.

Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King called on Mr Abbott to immediately rule out any new fee.   Wink      

"Australians should not be provided with a disincentive to visit their doctor," she said in a statement.

"Families shouldn't have to pay the prime minister a new tax every time their child is sick." Ms King said she was concerned what additional pressure a new fee for seeing the GP would have on the public hospital system.

Acting Greens leader Senator Richard Di Natale said introducing new patient fees would cause many to think twice before seeing a doctor.      Sad

He said it was a step towards a two-tiered US-style health system and away from universal healthcare.

"It looks like vulnerable and low-income Australians are the ones who are going to pay the price," he said.
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Re: Mr Abbott, We Want The Bulk Billing Doctor.
Reply #47 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 5:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 5:47pm:
Oooops!  Sorry for the 'too big' image!

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if you did it any smaller the righties wouldn't see it .
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Reply #48 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:06pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
So much for one term tony being honest and transparent..he didnt say anything during the election campaign about screwing over the working poor when they needed to see a doctor.


He did say no surprises though, If he hadn't been doing things like this I think we all would have been surprised.

That was what he meant wasn't it ?
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Reply #49 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm
 
I'm only linking this to establish that Mr Abbott said there would be no surprises.



Is there anyone out there who reckons Abbott has a mandate for this?
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Reply #50 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:33pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:41pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 12:47pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 11:51am:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:01am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:53am:
Be thankful our health system is NOWHERE near as expensive as that which exists in the US, even with this $5 fee.

Which governments were responsible for this? Labor governments. Chifley gave us the PBS (and successfully passed a referendum to get it), Whitlam gave us Medibank (while dragging the Liberals kicking and screaming through two Senate rejections, a DD election AND a joint sitting to do so), Hawke gave us Medicare (after Fraser took away Medibank). What do the Liberals do? They try to make health care more expensive whenever they get in so they can manufacture a market for the private health insurance industry.

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The Yanks must look upon us with envy.

Only the people, if they find out about it. The Republicans and the pharmaceutical companies consistently put pressure on Australia to wind back the PBS because to them it is a dangerous idea that Americans must not see. And of course the Liberals would be complicit if they thought that they could get away with it.  Angry

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Having said that, this fee probably would not be necessary if Swan knew a single thing about being a Treasurer.

The Liberals would find any excuse to wind back public health care. They did it under Fraser, they did it under Howard, and they are going to do it under Abbott. Finance has nothing to do with it, it's just a convenient excuse.


Funny, that! Every time we have a Labor government, they go on a Jihad against Private Health Insurers and their members because they take patients (and money) from the crumbling public system that is underfunded and under-resourced.

Why is the public system underfunded and under resourced? Because the conservatives chose to piss away five billion dollars a year in unnecessary subsidies to the private health industry. This is more than one third of what the states spend to run their health systems.

Do try to keep up, you're falling behind!


what stupid logic.  firstly $5B is not 1/3 but close to 1/10 and secondly, removing the subsidy simply moves people from private ro public systems this negating any perceived gains while overloading the same system.

you are just someone who hates private enterprise like some 60s communist who hasn't yet reconciled the failure of world communism.

First, I'll make a correction - the one third figure is in relation to what the Federal government gives the States for health care (INCLUDING infrastructure).

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Each year, the federal government pays health funds more than $5 billion to subsidise health insurance premiums. It is a significant sum of money, more than one-third of the total amount it pays to the states and territories for all health services and infrastructure.

Source: Little evidence health insurance rebate has achieved savings for consumers (SMH)

As usual, you do not provide evidence to back up your assertion. Your argument is rejected because you're just making it up.

Secondly, removing the subsidy and giving it to public hospitals will take care of any problem with people moving to the public system. Let the health insurance funds compete in the free market on their merits and not because they are propped up by excessively generous corporate welfare. Your "communist" waffle is laughable nonsense, how can an undistorted free market be communist?
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Reply #51 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:37pm
 
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Reply #52 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:41pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 12:47pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 11:51am:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:01am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 6:53am:
Be thankful our health system is NOWHERE near as expensive as that which exists in the US, even with this $5 fee.

Which governments were responsible for this? Labor governments. Chifley gave us the PBS (and successfully passed a referendum to get it), Whitlam gave us Medibank (while dragging the Liberals kicking and screaming through two Senate rejections, a DD election AND a joint sitting to do so), Hawke gave us Medicare (after Fraser took away Medibank). What do the Liberals do? They try to make health care more expensive whenever they get in so they can manufacture a market for the private health insurance industry.

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The Yanks must look upon us with envy.

Only the people, if they find out about it. The Republicans and the pharmaceutical companies consistently put pressure on Australia to wind back the PBS because to them it is a dangerous idea that Americans must not see. And of course the Liberals would be complicit if they thought that they could get away with it.  Angry

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Having said that, this fee probably would not be necessary if Swan knew a single thing about being a Treasurer.

The Liberals would find any excuse to wind back public health care. They did it under Fraser, they did it under Howard, and they are going to do it under Abbott. Finance has nothing to do with it, it's just a convenient excuse.


Funny, that! Every time we have a Labor government, they go on a Jihad against Private Health Insurers and their members because they take patients (and money) from the crumbling public system that is underfunded and under-resourced.

Why is the public system underfunded and under resourced? Because the conservatives chose to piss away five billion dollars a year in unnecessary subsidies to the private health industry. This is more than one third of what the states spend to run their health systems.

Do try to keep up, you're falling behind!


what stupid logic.  firstly $5B is not 1/3 but close to 1/10 and secondly, removing the subsidy simply moves people from private ro public systems this negating any perceived gains while overloading the same system.

you are just someone who hates private enterprise like some 60s communist who hasn't yet reconciled the failure of world communism.

First, I'll make a correction - the one third figure is in relation to what the Federal government gives the States for health care (INCLUDING infrastructure).

Quote:
Each year, the federal government pays health funds more than $5 billion to subsidise health insurance premiums. It is a significant sum of money, more than one-third of the total amount it pays to the states and territories for all health services and infrastructure.

Source: Little evidence health insurance rebate has achieved savings for consumers (SMH)

As usual, you do not provide evidence to back up your assertion. Your argument is rejected because you're just making it up.

Secondly, removing the subsidy and giving it to public hospitals will take care of any problem with people moving to the public system. Let the health insurance funds compete in the free market on their merits and not because they are propped up by excessively generous corporate welfare. Your "communist" waffle is laughable nonsense, how can an undistorted free market be communist?


usual drivel that I have come to expect from you.  the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?  the people who are unemployed yet manage to keep expensive mobile phone plans etc?  the $5 payment is designed to stop wasting doctors time on people coming for little reason.

and you private health objection is not based on good finance at all  - which is why labor didn't dump it.  they too knew that it cost too much in public health funding increases.  and it wasn't because they promised not to change it as labor broke many many MAJOR promises.

you hate 'private' anything be it schools or health.  you claim cost savings which are illusory while ignoring performance criteria which are superior on the private side.
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Reply #53 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?


there are many on the dole or pension who would struggle to come up with $5. Just because you cannot see it, it doesn't mean they aren't there.
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Reply #54 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 3:56pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:28am:
Stratos wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:13am:
5 bucks a visit, I'm happy with that.  Happy to contribute that much easy.  Being lucky enough to have access to a bulk billing doctor at all is the bigger worry



Ever heard of the thin edge of the wedge ????

$5 goes to $25 then $55 etc. all very reasonable ???

You don't think that they understand the need to start at something like $5 but if that were the real intention it would not be worth the effort - the real plan is substantially more than $5.




The conservative, right-wing of politics have ALWAYS hated universal healthcare safety nets


( ... look no further than the US Republicans in pulling out all the stops - including blocking essential supply bills - in desperate attempts to block the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ... that they sniggeringly refer to as "Obamacare" - in an attempt to ridicule healthcare for America's poorest)


The ALP - under Whitlam - gave us Medibank


The Liberals - under Fraser - abolished it


The ALP - under Hawke - re-introduced it, as Medicare


Ever the savvy politician - Howard ( ... as with his mentor, Thatcher, and the NHS) didn't dare TOUCH it





Abbott may be FURTHER to the "right" than Howard - but just not as smart







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Reply #55 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 4:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?


there are many on the dole or pension who would struggle to come up with $5. Just because you cannot see it, it doesn't mean they aren't there.

LW is just being wilfully clueless. You could explain it to him 100 times and he'll still claim he cannot understand.
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Reply #56 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 4:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
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Each year, the federal government pays health funds more than $5 billion to subsidise health insurance premiums. It is a significant sum of money, more than one-third of the total amount it pays to the states and territories for all health services and infrastructure.

Source: Little evidence health insurance rebate has achieved savings for consumers (SMH)

As usual, you do not provide evidence to back up your assertion. Your argument is rejected because you're just making it up.

Secondly, removing the subsidy and giving it to public hospitals will take care of any problem with people moving to the public system. Let the health insurance funds compete in the free market on their merits and not because they are propped up by excessively generous corporate welfare. Your "communist" waffle is laughable nonsense, how can an undistorted free market be communist?


usual drivel that I have come to expect from you.

I asked you a question, which I have highlighted. ANSWER IT. Don't make up crap.

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the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?

Usual clueless rubbish from you. Are you being wilfully ignorant or are you just clueless? It's a BROKEN PROMISE. Abbott's putting up the cost of living after he said he wouldn't.

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the people who are unemployed yet manage to keep expensive mobile phone plans etc?

Non sequitur.

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the $5 payment is designed to stop wasting doctors time on people coming for little reason.

That's the "official" reason. The real reason is Abbott's first step in destroying Medicare to satisfy his foreign masters.

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and you private health objection is not based on good finance at all  - which is why labor didn't dump it.  they too knew that it cost too much in public health funding increases.  and it wasn't because they promised not to change it as labor broke many many MAJOR promises.

"many MAJOR promises"? Bahahaha! Prove it - of course you can't because this just another one of your untenable lies.

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you hate 'private' anything be it schools or health.

You are a liar. Once again, you have been caught out lying. If you think you are not, you show me, right here, right now, where I have specifically said this. You cannot because I have not. Stop LYING.

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  you claim cost savings which are illusory while ignoring performance criteria which are superior on the private side.

You can't talk, you make up all sorts of rubbish claims an average of 5 times a day at least.
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Reply #57 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 5:01pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?


there are many on the dole or pension who would struggle to come up with $5. Just because you cannot see it, it doesn't mean they aren't there.


you mean the same people at macdonalds and using mobile phones?  finding $5 is not that hard if u r genuinely sick.  I refuse to believe anything else.
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Reply #58 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 5:03pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 4:25pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
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Each year, the federal government pays health funds more than $5 billion to subsidise health insurance premiums. It is a significant sum of money, more than one-third of the total amount it pays to the states and territories for all health services and infrastructure.

Source: Little evidence health insurance rebate has achieved savings for consumers (SMH)

As usual, you do not provide evidence to back up your assertion. Your argument is rejected because you're just making it up.

Secondly, removing the subsidy and giving it to public hospitals will take care of any problem with people moving to the public system. Let the health insurance funds compete in the free market on their merits and not because they are propped up by excessively generous corporate welfare. Your "communist" waffle is laughable nonsense, how can an undistorted free market be communist?


usual drivel that I have come to expect from you.

I asked you a question, which I have highlighted. ANSWER IT. Don't make up crap.

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the $5 cost will disadvantage who exactly?  who cannot afford $5?

Usual clueless rubbish from you. Are you being wilfully ignorant or are you just clueless? It's a BROKEN PROMISE. Abbott's putting up the cost of living after he said he wouldn't.

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the people who are unemployed yet manage to keep expensive mobile phone plans etc?

Non sequitur.

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the $5 payment is designed to stop wasting doctors time on people coming for little reason.

That's the "official" reason. The real reason is Abbott's first step in destroying Medicare to satisfy his foreign masters.

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and you private health objection is not based on good finance at all  - which is why labor didn't dump it.  they too knew that it cost too much in public health funding increases.  and it wasn't because they promised not to change it as labor broke many many MAJOR promises.

"many MAJOR promises"? Bahahaha! Prove it - of course you can't because this just another one of your untenable lies.

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you hate 'private' anything be it schools or health.

You are a liar. Once again, you have been caught out lying. If you think you are not, you show me, right here, right now, where I have specifically said this. You cannot because I have not. Stop LYING.

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  you claim cost savings which are illusory while ignoring performance criteria which are superior on the private side.

You can't talk, you make up all sorts of rubbish claims an average of 5 times a day at least.



and it is when you say crap like the highlighted that you look like a one-tooth bogan married to his sister.  you are either being disingenuous or really, really stupid.  Which is it???
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Reply #59 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 5:07pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
I'm only linking this to establish that Mr Abbott said there would be no surprises.



Is there anyone out there who reckons Abbott has a mandate for this?

Bump for the basher army.
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