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Reply #75 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

The question is simply, do all Australians deserve a fair trial. Yes or No.

Some assume that is a given right, but over the last 10 years, it cannot be assumed so.

IN AUSTRALIA

Any and all Australians being treated unfairly in legal processes overseas is OK?

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #76 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan. Undecided

I guess Dnarever was stood behind him when they took the little shite prisoner.........he trained with the enemy, and he would have fought with them against the Coalition which included Australians, if he hadn't bottled-it when the action got too close.

That's what happens with wannabes, when the going gets tough, they get going.........

He should be treated as any traitor would be ...........his buddy Ben-laden would have binned him like the garbage he is.

He should have been shot.

Its not specifically about Hicks it is about the principal of the Australian government supporting Australians overseas. Making sure that Australians are treated fairly. Charged with something and taken to a fair trial.

In this case the Australian government clearly supported an Australian being treated unfairly and unreasonably - even approving of torture. It could have been you or anyone else.

That is if your a Wannbee Terrorist Angry

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103263	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #77 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:27pm What if I went and joined a cult like the Branch Davidians? Would that make me a wannabe terrorist too?
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #78 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:04pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Al-Qaeda were training people like Hicks so they could slip through the airport and not be racially profiled. An arab would get noticed.

Were they ?

Maybe. After all, it makes perfect sense that Al Qaida would recruit blond, European suicide bombers to avoid the racial profilers, metal detectors, luggage x-rays, explosives tests and security checks at the airports.

They’d just use the non-terrorist queue to get through security.

Mistie’s highlighted the sinister "progressive" censorship plot to target posts like these. Just think, the "progressives" want sensible posts like this to be rubbed out with black textor.

Typical.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #79 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:38pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan. Undecided

I guess Dnarever was stood behind him when they took the little shite prisoner.........he trained with the enemy, and he would have fought with them against the Coalition which included Australians, if he hadn't bottled-it when the action got too close.

That's what happens with wannabes, when the going gets tough, they get going.........

He should be treated as any traitor would be ...........his buddy Ben-laden would have binned him like the garbage he is.

He should have been shot.

Its not specifically about Hicks it is about the principal of the Australian government supporting Australians overseas. Making sure that Australians are treated fairly. Charged with something and taken to a fair trial.

In this case the Australian government clearly supported an Australian being treated unfairly and unreasonably - even approving of torture. It could have been you or anyone else.

That is if your a Wannbee Terrorist

The point is it was never proven that he was ??? That is the problem the Australian government is meant to ensure their is a charge and fair trial to establish this guilt.

Had he really been guilty they would not have needed an illegal kangaroo court or required 7 years to create retrospective charges which have since been ruled illegal and thrown out. They may not have even needed to torture him.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #80 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 10:08pm

No, Dnarever, they needed to torture him because of the regulations. It’s not as if David Hicks knew the code for any ticking time bombs or anything.

It’s not as if he even resisted questioning.

He was tortured because it’s what you do with prisoners, and this is the return to civilized values the knuckleheads are advocating.

I honestly don’t know why they just don’t join the Taliban and be done with it.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #81 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 10:35pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

If Andrei ever got done for hanging out in a war zone with a Koran, I’d expect the Australian government to apply all the normal proceedures if another country wanted to indict him.

??????????
The only thing reasonable in your post son is that I'm an Aussie citizen.

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Reply #82 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:07pm

So it’s not reasonable to suggest that if you were kidnapped and illegally detained by a foreign country for not breaking any laws, our government would have something to say about it?

Strange. The British and Amerikan governments beg to differ. None of their citizens stayed in Guantanamo. No US ones even went there.

You’re right, Andrei. If my version of reason didn’t sound completely foreign to you, I’d be forced to question it.

Mistie’s writing a PhD on this issue as we speak.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #85 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:32am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

What if I went and joined a cult like the Branch Davidians? Would that make me a wannabe terrorist too?

Kinda think you're the type.........would you be involved in mass suicide.....nah.....you love BSing far too much......

Just another wannabe!

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Reply #86 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:39am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

Yawn. When you bend over backward to support and protect Bolt, Jones, Devine, Ackerman, Murdoch, and others like them, then I'll take you seriously. But you've been on a campaign to have them censored.

Have I now?

Why would I want them censored? As I understand it, they’re also subject to the law, including laws like racial vilification which Bolt and Jones have both been proven to have broken.

In a court of law, Mistie, not a plea bargain with the US military after 5 years in solitary confinement.

The Broadcasting Tribunal is another media code Bolt and Jones are subject to, and this includes "progressive" regulations about not telling porkie pies. Can you believe it?

Yes, if someone tells a fib on a mass broadcasting medium, we have rules to deal with it. Unbelievable. Bolt and Jones, of course, have both been held to account on a number of occasions. Piers and the lovely Miranda are solely newspaper columnists. As far as I’m aware, they’ve never been proven guilty of anything. Murdoch’s News International, as we all know, has been proven guilty of illegal surveillance, bribery, misleading the public (and the courts), and a host of other crimes. Murdoch even apologised.

Still, if you support people spreading fibs in the mass media, you’re perfectly free to do so. You already support kidnapping and imprisonment without trial for members of Muslim fundamentalist groups. Why not do away with all systems that aim to facilitate reason, justice and, dare I say it, truth? it’s only Western values, after all.

Yawn.

I see. It's all about the law. Let's change the law and make murder and rape legal. After all, the law dictates what's moral. Roll Eyes

What Bolt and Jones have done - express opinions - pales in comparison to being part of a fundamentalist group that kills for religion.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #87 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:42am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Al-Qaeda were training people like Hicks so they could slip through the airport and not be racially profiled. An arab would get noticed.

Were they ?

Maybe. After all, it makes perfect sense that Al Qaida would recruit blond, European suicide bombers to avoid the racial profilers, metal detectors, luggage x-rays, explosives tests and security checks at the airports.

They’d just use the non-terrorist queue to get through security.

Mistie’s highlighted the sinister "progressive" censorship plot to target posts like these. Just think, the "progressives" want sensible posts like this to be rubbed out with black textor.

Typical.

I am not advocating censorship at all. The longer you "progressives" keep talking, the sooner people realise the sinister groups and individuals you side with.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #88 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:19pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:39am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

Yawn. When you bend over backward to support and protect Bolt, Jones, Devine, Ackerman, Murdoch, and others like them, then I'll take you seriously. But you've been on a campaign to have them censored.

Have I now?

Why would I want them censored? As I understand it, they’re also subject to the law, including laws like racial vilification which Bolt and Jones have both been proven to have broken.

In a court of law, Mistie, not a plea bargain with the US military after 5 years in solitary confinement.

The Broadcasting Tribunal is another media code Bolt and Jones are subject to, and this includes "progressive" regulations about not telling porkie pies. Can you believe it?

Yes, if someone tells a fib on a mass broadcasting medium, we have rules to deal with it. Unbelievable. Bolt and Jones, of course, have both been held to account on a number of occasions. Piers and the lovely Miranda are solely newspaper columnists. As far as I’m aware, they’ve never been proven guilty of anything. Murdoch’s News International, as we all know, has been proven guilty of illegal surveillance, bribery, misleading the public (and the courts), and a host of other crimes. Murdoch even apologised.

Still, if you support people spreading fibs in the mass media, you’re perfectly free to do so. You already support kidnapping and imprisonment without trial for members of Muslim fundamentalist groups. Why not do away with all systems that aim to facilitate reason, justice and, dare I say it, truth? it’s only Western values, after all.

Yawn.

I see. It's all about the law. Let's change the law and make murder and rape legal. After all, the law dictates what's moral. Roll Eyes

What Bolt and Jones have done - express opinions - pales in comparison to being part of a fundamentalist group that kills for religion.

Are you arguing to change the law for false imprisonment and torture? Or do you just want to let those laws slide?

Being a member of a fundamentalist group that kills for religion is not illegal either. We tried that once with Tim Anderson and the Ananda Margas after the Hilton Bombing.

And we found them innocent. All evidence now points to the police doing the bombing.

Bolt and Jones do not just express opinions. In Jones’ case, his opinions are exchanged for cash. In Bolt’s case, his opinions are exchanged for influence. Both have been caught expressing opinions they knew weren’t true. Both have been caught saying the same fib, over and over, in what can only be called a media campaign.

Bolt famously said the Stolen Generation never happened. He demanded names, and when he was given them, he pretended they didn’t exist. He used his column in the widest read Australian newspaper to claim that no Aboriginal children had ever - ever - been forcibly removed from their parents. This followed the Bringing Them Home report, which, as everybody knows, proved that they were.

Bolt wasn’t expressing an opinion. He was knowingly spreading a lie. Jones does exactly the same. Such hubris can only be possible when you believe that your audience are chumps.

The thing is though, Mistie, with fibs on that scale, the truth usually comes out in the end. Tim Anderson got off, David Hicks was released, and Bolt and Jones have no credibility left.

And this is why we don’t arrest, torture or kill people based on lies: the truth comes back to get us.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #89 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:22pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:32am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

What if I went and joined a cult like the Branch Davidians? Would that make me a wannabe terrorist too?

Kinda think you're the type.........would you be involved in mass suicide.....nah.....you love BSing far too much......

Exactly.

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