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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #60 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan.

Incorrect.

So he was on holiday then?

Been my point all along.
Kosovo and Afghanistan????!

We arent talking a normal Suburban Aussie on holiday with his wife and kids here.

These are not quite the Costa Del Sol....

He was and had been fighting in warzones with and for Muslim forces.

He deserves no sympathy.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #62 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

He deserves no sympathy

he also doesn't deserve to be held without charges or, later on, on trumped up charges. If they had shot him in a war zone, almost nobody would defend him, and rightly so ... however, you do not change the rules when they don't work in your favour.

The rules of fair trial and a right to be treated fairly make up the whole basis of western culture. Throw that out the door and you are just as bad as those rag heads you are fighting.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #63 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan.

Incorrect.

So he was on holiday then?

Been my point all along.
Kosovo and Afghanistan????!

We arent talking a normal Suburban Aussie on holiday with his wife and kids here.

These are not quite the Costa Del Sol....

He was and had been fighting in warzones with and for Muslim forces.

He deserves no sympathy.

No-one here is talking about sympathy. This is about 'justice' for an individual. He did not commit an offence, the Australian Government lied to us (fact is....he was in solitary confinement..........we were told he 'had a room of his own,' and that he was getting exercise......fact is he was allowed 20 minutes each fortnight.)

I'm no fan of Hicks but his crappy ineffective antics pale well into relevant insignificance when you learn the true extent to which our Government phucking lied to us.

It seems to be an emerging recurring theme from the Hayseed years.

The deeper issues are of importance, Andrei, and the two I have just referred to are petty in the overall scheme of things. Lies, phucking lies to us.

But.....the story of Hicks exposes a much nastier cancer.

I often read the Father of my Son-in-Law.....a USA Southerner (a Man from Dixie) posting on FaceBook how we must never trust Government, and so, we should arm ourselves to the teeth with as many weapons of war as we can get our hands on as a precautionary defence against it.

While it seems I am told by some here that I am a 'leftie,' I am warming to the description if it means I will challenge outright bloody lies which amount to a dishonest attack on civil rights.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #64 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

The whole bummer about Hicks is nobody else wanted him and we had to have him back here.

They say the same about one Andrei Hicks. Thing is, the two Hicks are Australian citizens.

If Andrei ever got done for hanging out in a war zone with a Koran, I’d expect the Australian government to apply all the normal proceedures if another country wanted to indict him.

Mind you, as a British citizen, he would get just that, so why bother with the Aussies?

When it comes to Yank justice, our government - Labor or Liberal - carries on like a third world vassal state.

Mistie and the rest call this "progress".

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #65 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:44am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

Yawn. When you bend over backward to support and protect Bolt, Jones, Devine, Ackerman, Murdoch, and others like them, then I'll take you seriously. But you've been on a campaign to have them censored. Your "justice" is highly selective. We both know this isn't about justice. This is about taking the side of any fringe group or individual that helps break down the "hegemony" of Westernisation and/or bourgeoisie capitalism.

You useful idiots really show your true colours when you support Islamic fascists like this.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #66 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:51am

The whole Hicks saga is a stain on our reputation as a nation ruled by law. . .AFP officials interviewed Hicks early on in his incarceration at Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp and new he hadn’t done anything like fire on allied soldiers.

John Useless Howard then panicked in 2007 and we had the kangaroo court trial of Hicks and the forced plea deal. Just the last in many inglorious acts by the worst PM we ever had before the simian became PM.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #67 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 10:24am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

Yawn. When you bend over backward to support and protect Bolt, Jones, Devine, Ackerman, Murdoch, and others like them, then I'll take you seriously. But you've been on a campaign to have them censored. Your "justice" is highly selective. We both know this isn't about justice. This is about taking the side of any fringe group or individual that helps break down the "hegemony" of Westernisation and/or bourgeoisie capitalism.

You useful idiots really show your true colours when you support Islamic fascists like this.

Lock them up in Gitmo and I will defend them too....

I may take my time about it, but if they wait long enough, eventually I'll get there. Cheesy

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #69 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am The question is simply, do all Australians deserve a fair trial. Yes or No. Some assume that is a given right, but over the last 10 years, it cannot be assumed so.
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woody2014 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2044 NTH EAST VIC Gender:	Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial. Reply #70 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:11am Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am: The question is simply, do all Australians deserve a fair trial. Yes or No. Some assume that is a given right, but over the last 10 years, it cannot be assumed so. IN AUSTRALIA
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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #71 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan. Undecided

I guess Dnarever was stood behind him when they took the little shite prisoner.........he trained with the enemy, and he would have fought with them against the Coalition which included Australians, if he hadn't bottled-it when the action got too close.

That's what happens with wannabes, when the going gets tough, they get going.........

He should be treated as any traitor would be ...........his buddy Ben-laden would have binned him like the garbage he is.

He should have been shot.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #72 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

Yawn. When you bend over backward to support and protect Bolt, Jones, Devine, Ackerman, Murdoch, and others like them, then I'll take you seriously. But you've been on a campaign to have them censored.

Have I now?

Why would I want them censored? As I understand it, they’re also subject to the law, including laws like racial vilification which Bolt and Jones have both been proven to have broken.

In a court of law, Mistie, not a plea bargain with the US military after 5 years in solitary confinement.

The Broadcasting Tribunal is another media code Bolt and Jones are subject to, and this includes "progressive" regulations about not telling porkie pies. Can you believe it?

Yes, if someone tells a fib on a mass broadcasting medium, we have rules to deal with it. Unbelievable. Bolt and Jones, of course, have both been held to account on a number of occasions. Piers and the lovely Miranda are solely newspaper columnists. As far as I’m aware, they’ve never been proven guilty of anything. Murdoch’s News International, as we all know, has been proven guilty of illegal surveillance, bribery, misleading the public (and the courts), and a host of other crimes. Murdoch even apologised.

Still, if you support people spreading fibs in the mass media, you’re perfectly free to do so. You already support kidnapping and imprisonment without trial for members of Muslim fundamentalist groups. Why not do away with all systems that aim to facilitate reason, justice and, dare I say it, truth? it’s only Western values, after all.

Yawn.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #73 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

[quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1388261099/42#42 date=1388288374][quote author=unbiased_view link=1388261099/39#39 date=1388287418]Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He should have been shot.

There you go, Mistie. David Hicks shouldn’t have been indefinitely imprisoned without trial, he should have been murdered.

I’ll bet those "progressives" at the uni don’t agree with civilized values like this, eh?

Typical.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #74 - Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan. Undecided

I guess Dnarever was stood behind him when they took the little shite prisoner.........he trained with the enemy, and he would have fought with them against the Coalition which included Australians, if he hadn't bottled-it when the action got too close.

That's what happens with wannabes, when the going gets tough, they get going.........

He should be treated as any traitor would be ...........his buddy Ben-laden would have binned him like the garbage he is.

He should have been shot.

Its not specifically about Hicks it is about the principal of the Australian government supporting Australians overseas. Making sure that Australians are treated fairly. Charged with something and taken to a fair trial.

In this case the Australian government clearly supported an Australian being treated unfairly and unreasonably - even approving of torture. It could have been you or anyone else.

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