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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #45 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #46 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan.

Incorrect.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #47 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

If they want to train with terrorists Angry

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #48 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan.

Incorrect.

So he was on holiday then?

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #49 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:31pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

If they want to train with terrorists

What makes you think that had any connection with the Howard governments decisions ??

Look at the way they treated Dr Haneef, If you want to be related to a terrorist ????

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #50 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

If they want to train with terrorists

What makes you think that had any connection with the Howard governments decisions ??

Look at the way they treated Dr Haneef, If you want to be related to a terrorist ????

FFS Another red herring Angry

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #51 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

FriYAY wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

A great shame that this piece of crap is free.

Angry

Would you rather he was a biscuit?

I’m sure we can make him one, FriYay. Maybe we can get him into the Anzac Day Parade.

Would that do it for you?

Awwww, it's too trik pony.

Whats wrong Head Vet? Missing getting gobbies from the grunts?

Need gooks sneaking around to get it up now do you Rambo?

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Not anymore, old son. I’ve got you now.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #52 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:27pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:01am:

red baron wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:52am:

In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason

Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.

lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ. Roll Eyes

That’s right, Mistie. A Muslim fundamentalist group that, only a war ago, waa in a coalition with the US to defeat the Evil Empire.

How times change, eh?

Just think, these "progressives" defend your right to "work" at the uni. How sinister is that?

We all know what you get up to there.

He was part of an Islamic fundamentalist group that wanted to take over India and convert it to Islam.

This is the group he was training with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba

Why do you clowns support such people? The "progressives" would be the first people they'd put up against the wall.

Believe it or not, we clowns support someone in Hicks’ situation having actual evidence for their alleged crimes put before a court of law.

In the case of David Hicks, that never happened because the military tribunal - with all its powers - had no evidence. Hicks took a plea bargain and pleaded guilty to a crime he says he didn’t commit.

A retrospective crime that doesn’t exist in Australia. And how could Hicks even be tried in the US?

He couldn’t - hence rendition and Guantanamo Bay. Hicks was sold to the US for the princely sum of $200.

Instead of Wikileaks links, Mistie, why don’t you post evidence of an actual crime?

I can’t imagine "progressives" advocating throwing the book at someone - anyone - over rumours and smoke-fire allegations, but that’s just what you’re doing. You want Taliban-style justice.

Good work, comrade. This is "progress".

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #53 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

If they want to train with terrorists Angry

What exactly is the prescribed sentence for "training with terrorists"? Last I looked, we didn’t have such a law.

It would make the work of private security firms, soldiers of fortune, the French Foreign Legion, etc, etc, etc, a little difficult - not to mention the CIA.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #54 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:44pm

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:01am:

red baron wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:52am:

In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason

Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.

lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ. Roll Eyes

That’s right, Mistie. A Muslim fundamentalist group that, only a war ago, waa in a coalition with the US to defeat the Evil Empire.

How times change, eh?

Just think, these "progressives" defend your right to "work" at the uni. How sinister is that?

We all know what you get up to there.

He was part of an Islamic fundamentalist group that wanted to take over India and convert it to Islam.

This is the group he was training with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba

Why do you clowns support such people? The "progressives" would be the first people they'd put up against the wall.

Believe it or not, we clowns support someone in Hicks’ situation having actual evidence for their alleged crimes put before a court of law.

In the case of David Hicks, that never happened because the military tribunal - with all its powers - had no evidence. Hicks took a plea bargain and pleaded guilty to a crime he says he didn’t commit.

A retrospective crime that doesn’t exist in Australia. And how could Hicks even be tried in the US?

He couldn’t - hence rendition and Guantanamo Bay. Hicks was sold to the US for the princely sum of $200.

Instead of Wikileaks links, Mistie, why don’t you post evidence of an actual crime?

I can’t imagine "progressives" advocating throwing the book at someone - anyone - over rumours and smoke-fire allegations, but that’s just what you’re doing. You want Taliban-style justice.

Good work, comrade. This is "progress".

Just as I thought, you bend over backward for him. He admits being part of such a group but that doesn't seem to matter; in fact, it appear to make you and others more determined to protect him.

Do you think Lashkar-e-Taiba or any other militant group you side with will really save you from bourgeoisie capitalism? That is the real enemy, isn't it? Islam is just an allie for you in this idiotic war.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #55 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Gutless little Walter Mitty who "trained" with the nutters, wanted to be like them but when the bullets started flying crapped himself and was caught by US soldiers cowering in fear trying to dig himself into the ground ..............

Should have left the bastard locked away.

He was caught by the northern alliance trying to leave Afghanistan and he was unarmed. He never took part in the hostilities and was therefore not an enemy combatant. He was unwilling to fight against Australia.

White guy training with terrorists in Afghanistan. Undecided

Does that mean any white guy who undertakes Karate training in Japan becomes an enemy of Australia too? What about those that do Muai Tai Thailand? or Silat in Indonesia?

Hicks was just a bored white boy who watched to many Rambo movies and thought he would have a little adventure ... I don't believe he at any time intended to fight against Australia or the US, he just want the photo opp. He sh1t himself as soon as things got serious

Was he an idiot, sh1t yeah, did he deserve to get shot, sure ... but he didn't, and for the US to just make up charges and then for Howard to support them is deplorable ... who's the real traitor? Hicks to his own people? or the govt. of Australia to it's citizens?

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #56 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:01am:

red baron wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:52am:

In another time David Hicks would have been hung for high treason

Yes but in another we probably would have gone to war to protect his rights.

lol. His rights to be a part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? F*cken' Jesus Christ. Roll Eyes

That’s right, Mistie. A Muslim fundamentalist group that, only a war ago, waa in a coalition with the US to defeat the Evil Empire.

How times change, eh?

Just think, these "progressives" defend your right to "work" at the uni. How sinister is that?

We all know what you get up to there.

He was part of an Islamic fundamentalist group that wanted to take over India and convert it to Islam.

This is the group he was training with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba

Why do you clowns support such people? The "progressives" would be the first people they'd put up against the wall.

Believe it or not, we clowns support someone in Hicks’ situation having actual evidence for their alleged crimes put before a court of law.

In the case of David Hicks, that never happened because the military tribunal - with all its powers - had no evidence. Hicks took a plea bargain and pleaded guilty to a crime he says he didn’t commit.

A retrospective crime that doesn’t exist in Australia. And how could Hicks even be tried in the US?

He couldn’t - hence rendition and Guantanamo Bay. Hicks was sold to the US for the princely sum of $200.

Instead of Wikileaks links, Mistie, why don’t you post evidence of an actual crime?

I can’t imagine "progressives" advocating throwing the book at someone - anyone - over rumours and smoke-fire allegations, but that’s just what you’re doing. You want Taliban-style justice.

Good work, comrade. This is "progress".

Just as I thought, you bend over backward for him. He admits being part of such a group but that doesn't seem to matter; in fact, it appear to make you and others more determined to protect him.

Do you think Lashkar-e-Taiba or any other militant group you side with will really save you from bourgeoisie capitalism? That is the real enemy, isn't it? Islam is just an allie for you in this idiotic war.

Now you’re just sounding hysterical. The real enemy is the post-September 11 move against humble Western principles like Habeus Corpus and the right to fair trial.

Belonging to any group - bikies, neo-Nazi organizations, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or even the School of Hygeine Studies at your own uni - is not a crime.

Make it a crime and we’ll talk about it. Until then, David Hicks represents the embodiment of the dearth of human rightsand Western values - a role, he says, he’s not too comfortable with. He just wants to get on with his life, and yes, he’s now against Islamic fundamentalism.

If you don’t understand any of this, Mistie, don’t. If you want a world of Medieval Taliban-style juatice, no problem. Argue this, don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

You’re an anti-Enlightenment reactionary - treasure it, Mistie.

We do.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #57 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

You understand that there is not one word in all that which relates to anything he was charged with ???

But it shore tells you about the little prick

Mosqua Aqsa camp in Pakistan, after which he "travelled to a border region between Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and Indian-controlled Kashmir, where he engaged in hostile action against Indian forces."[13]

Yes but it also tells us about that government and the fact that they would have been willing to have any Australian treated in the same manner. It wasn't really about David Hicks, potentially it could have been anyone.

If they want to train with terrorists

What makes you think that had any connection with the Howard governments decisions ??

Look at the way they treated Dr Haneef, If you want to be related to a terrorist ????

for goodness sake Another red herring

RED herring - look at the topic fella ????

It is about the government being aware that Hicks was not getting a fair trial ??? Not about if you think he is guilty of anything or not ???

Like it or not it is our governments responsibility to ensure that our people are treated fairly in this type of situation or any other.

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Re: Howard Govt Knew Hicks Would Not Get Fair Trial.
Reply #58 - Dec 29^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

Of course he couldn’t get a fair trial. The entire process of renditions and offshore justice in Cuba intends to do just this.

US citizens got fair trials in the US. British citizens were sent home. Australian citizens were shelved indefinitely in Guantanamo, which was the stated policy of the Howard government. How could it possibly be fair?

The knuckleheads are arguing for no trials, and no sentences. Presumably they want anyone the Afghans want to hand over for a couple of hundred dollars.a piece to be taken out and shot - or detained indefinitely.

For the knuckleheads, this is "progress".

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