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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #75 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

To become an Australian citizen, did you have to get a certificate?

Your answer to that (which i dont need) should tell you how much tradition and heritage you have to the country.

Actually no.

. Check what happens when you're a child and you're parents get the citizenship. A true Australian knows our laws.

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Reply #76 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

sorry ... hit the wrong button.... this is addressed to Andrie

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

what's this 'our system' white man???

An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims: "OUR COUNTRY".

Please do me a favour. Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY".

My friend it is my country.
I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then.

Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant.
If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.

I have explained why.
How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them.

They wont.

An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades.
Its obvious.

Loyal to the queen Grin

. Says it all really.

Why should one be "loyal to the queen".

And your point is completely whacked. Having lived my entire life bar 5 years here, and having gone to school here, and having worked here, I can intrinsically say I have a much better understanding of Australia than you. For one, i don't drink Starbucks when I'm in Melbourne.

How about you address the topic of this thread????

how about you address the disputes I put to you on your responses to this thread.

how about as a moderator yo follow the rules you impose on others,

how bout you stop pretending to be part of this country, you are an embarrassment

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #77 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

what's this 'our system' white man???

An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims: "OUR COUNTRY".

Please do me a favour. Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY".

My friend it is my country.
I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then.

Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant.
If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.

I have explained why.
How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them.

They wont.

An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades.
Its obvious.

I was not referring to 'someone who has just arrived.' I was referring to Australian Citizens no matter where or when they were born. 'We" all have a right to be part of the decision......assuming you are on the Electoral Roll.

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Reply #78 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen? Or soon loyal to some new king? Please do tell us.

Will they chop my head off for not being loyal? Deny me food? Torture me? Leave me up on public display as punishment?

Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade?

Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread?

What a tradition to honour!!

One should honour Britain for its literature, music, art, food. For its discoveries.

But not the country's old aristocracy that basically brought about nothing but pure greed and pain.

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Reply #79 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage.

I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country?

Its just impossible.

Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there.
Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel.

The stats back up my argument.

New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

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Reply #80 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen? Or soon loyal to some new king? Please do tell us.

Will they chop my head off for not being loyal? Deny me food? Torture me? Leave me up on public display as punishment?

Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade?

Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread?

What a tradition to honour!!

South Africans had values like that.

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #81 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen? Or soon loyal to some new king? Please do tell us.

Will they chop my head off for not being loyal? Deny me food? Torture me? Leave me up on public display as punishment?

Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade?

Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread?

What a tradition to honour!!

All look like good ideas Wink

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #83 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage.

I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country?

Its just impossible.

Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there.
Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel.

The stats back up my argument.

New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

So as a 6th generation Australian with an Asian wife.... she will never be a true aussie like you Andrei ... that doesnt even live here?

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #84 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage.

I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country?

Its just impossible.

Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there.
Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel.

The stats back up my argument.

New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

Look quickly revert to already debated points. Well done, superstar.

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #85 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen? Or soon loyal to some new king? Please do tell us.

Will they chop my head off for not being loyal? Deny me food? Torture me? Leave me up on public display as punishment?

Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade?

Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread?

What a tradition to honour!!

All look like good ideas Wink

I'm definitely not helping you with your painting now, Fweddy! Very, very rude.

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Reply #86 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after.

Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian.

That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage.
I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue.

They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

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Reply #87 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage.

I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country?

Its just impossible.

Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there.
Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel.

The stats back up my argument.

New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

So as a 6th generation Australian with an Asian wife.... she will never be a true aussie like you Andrei ... that doesnt even live here?

I didnt say that.
But if she was born in Asia then my opinion is she shouldnt be allowed to vote on a referendum no.

But again its not about personal here. Its a blanket view.

My youngest daughter is born in Canada, she shouldn't either when she is 18 despite the fact she is an Australian citizen.

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #88 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after.

Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian.

That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage.
I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue.

They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

Strange, I didn't get a certificate. But I have a passport. Go figure.

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Reply #89 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after.

Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian.

That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage.
I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue.

They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

My capacity to do anything as an Australian depends on that Birth Certificate. The Indian Bride's capacity to do anything as an Australian depends on that Naturalisation Certificate I saw her get about 30+ years ago. She is an Indian, born in Kenya, and raised mostly as a bloody Pom. She is more 'Aussiefied' than you are Andrei. Your claim seems to rely very heavily on the fact you were born here, but in fact, you really do not identify as 'Aussie.' There is evidence for that all over this Forum.

You on the Electoral Roll here, Andrei?

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