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Reply #45 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

No i dont have a problem with debate.

However on the subject of changing tradition and our system i dont believe people born in another country should get a say.

Thats my view on this subject.

People from countries not linked to our tradition and Commonwealth etc will have little appreciation of it because they have no Australian heritage in the first place.

Hence i am not surprised to see non-Australian born people on here not in favour of the Monarchy.

It isnt a surprise to see Victoria - with such a large non-traditional Aussie background population - most in favour of a Republic last time whereas WA and QLD was so against.

Ah no wonder you wish to celebrate the aristocracies of the past. Your mindset is set in the 1700s, which to me only demonstrates that had you actually been born in that time, no doubt you would've fallen victim to the slave trade. But keep celebrating your wonderful monarchy.

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Reply #46 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same.

Ok. Thanks for that. I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea. For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones.

. And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state. The perfect welfare bludger.

So thats a second one on this thread from another country who wants a different model forAustralia.

Its understandable to some extent given they have no buy in to tradition or history of their new country but a tad boisterous or rude to turn up and demand the system changed?!

It's hardly tradition? Tradition would see all the wealth centered completely around the crown and the incestual lords. If you want tradition go back to that model. But a democratic monarchy, what an absolute waste of time. "Let's celebrate the people responsible for torture, hardship and death of millions for the sake of tradition". What a great use of public funds.

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Reply #48 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG

My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over?

It's like changing from Android to Apple

It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country?
Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost.

do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power

In my view a false argument.

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Reply #49 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... Roll Eyes

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #50 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this.

Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system.

You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it.

So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change.

Just my take on it.

You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, so stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country.

Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity. To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.

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Reply #51 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

what's this 'our system' white man???

An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims: "OUR COUNTRY".

Please do me a favour. Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY".

My friend it is my country.
I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then.

Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant.
If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

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Reply #52 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner.
The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors?
You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between.

Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors?

If your not Aboriginal then you are most likely considered one of them anyway.

We have one of the great flags and having represented where we came from as part of it only adds to its historical validity.

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Reply #53 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... Roll Eyes

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

what a wanker - who wants to change history books..... get a life!!!!

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #54 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:57pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this.

Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system.

You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it.

So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change.

Just my take on it.

You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, and not to stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country.

Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity. To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.

Great invite some one to visit and they want to repaint your house phuckem off Angry

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #55 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... Roll Eyes

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

Losing the crown doesn't lose out connection to anything. History doesn't all of a sudden get re-written, and the British heritage will always be there. But you need to get over this crazy thinking that somehow this country can remain "British" during the great Asian century. Keep the crown all you want, but face the fact that this country is changing and will continue to change. Embrace it.

As for soldiers, soldiers fight for the people and the country, and not for the flag. Nor for the crown. The people and the country will always remain and will always remain grateful to the soldiers.

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Reply #56 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:59pm

woody2014 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this.

Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system.

You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it.

So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change.

Just my take on it.

You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, and not to stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country.

Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity. To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.

Great invite some one to visit and they want to repaint your house phuckem off Angry

Fweddy that's not the way to ask someone to help paint your house. I'd be happy to, but ask nicely.

Also, since you're asking immigration to leave, may we have the wealth back too? Grin

. I'll take that house

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Re: New GG - but what is the cost of a Republic?
Reply #57 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... Roll Eyes

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

Losing the crown doesn't lose out connection to anything. History doesn't all of a sudden get re-written, and the British heritage will always be there. But you need to get over this crazy thinking that somehow this country can remain "British" during the great Asian century. Keep the crown all you want, but face the fact that this country is changing and will continue to change. Embrace it.

As for soldiers, soldiers fight for the people and the country, and not for the flag. Nor for the crown. The people and the country will always remain and will always remain grateful to the soldiers.

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Reply #58 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian.

Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do.

I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century?

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Reply #59 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... Roll Eyes

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

what a wanker - who wants to change history books..... get a life!!!!

That's something you and the other whiners should think about. Concentrate on improving life here instead of pandering to your own sense of inadequacy, and trying to change something which has worked for a long time.

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