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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Get Rid Of Primitive Level Train Crossings. Reply #15 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:29pm There are vast numbers of unemployed natives in those outback townships ~ plenty enough labour to dig tunnels under railway tracks on Abbott's Work-for-the-Dole scheme.
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Reply #16 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:57pm

"Get Rid Of Primitive Level Train Crossings."

As the Heartless Felon alluded to, in post #9, what is wrong with allowing a person to seek to remove their own self from the gene pool [because of their own cretinism], and at the same time, seeking high glory and 'immortality', as a top 10 nominee, in the Darwin Awards ?

15 minutes of fame for a cretin ?

Why not, i say ?

There are way, way, way, too many [stupid] humans on the planet.

.....and not nearly enough Sumatran Tigers [and Bengal Tigers too!!] and Orang-utans.

That is what i say!

Surely we can some 'self-culling' of some of the stupidest, of the 7 billion 'intelligent' apes ???

No ?

What do you say ? Cheesy

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Get Rid Of Primitive Level Train Crossings. Reply #17 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:21pm Get rid of primitive people who are too stupid to realise that a train WILL win. Level crossings are not, and never were, the problem. IDIOTS are.
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Reply #18 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25pm

Kat wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Get rid of primitive people who are too stupid to realise that a train WILL win.
Level crossings are not, and never were, the problem.
IDIOTS are.

Agree.
Doesnt fit in with todays nanny state though kat.

Ive always found things like this to be a decent population control.

We lose a few idiots.

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Reply #19 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

Level crossings cause traffic congestion all over Melbourne. Some of Melbourne's major roads still have level crossings on them (eg: Bell St, Springvale Road). This is a compelling reason to remove as many as practical.

There was a time I lived a bit more than 100 metres from a notorious level crossing, Murrumbeena Rd Murrumbeena. I had to cross it every date to go to work. The worst morning? 17 minutes to travel 100 metres while waiting for nine trains to pass through.

On Christmas Day I happened to pass through two of the level crossings that are currently being removed, Mitcham Rd (Mitcham) and Springvale Rd (Springvale) and an area that was once a level crossing.

The Mitcham Rd works are well advanced, the new station looks mostly complete and most of the earthworks are completed. The train line in that section will be closed for four out of the next five weeks as the works progress further.

The works at the Springvale Rd crossing are less advanced. The new bridge is in place and some of the earth works are completed but the new station is not yet built and some earth works still need to be completed. Completion is still nearly a year away. The cost of the removal of the Springvale Rd crossing is about $150 million.

I also passed through Nunawading on a section of track that was lowered in 2009 with the works being completed in early 2010. When it existed, the Springvale Rd Nunawading level crossing was the worst in Melbourne for congestion. I have seen traffic banked back more than two kilometres on a Sunday and this was apparently not unusual. Since the crossing was removed, traffic flows much more freely there.

The Greens are incorrect when they state that removing level crossings is a roads measure that does nothing for public transport. With level crossings, gaps must exist in the train services so level crossings can be raised. If level crossings are removed, it removes this constraint on train frequencies and more services can run.

I am in favour of removing level crossings because the benefits of doing so are obvious for road users and train passengers.

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Reply #20 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:00pm

So it's all about catering for impatient idiots that have to be there yesterday?

Fairdinkum ... you speak of train interval to allow gates to go up ... yeah in theory that's what happens.... but trains run late for a myriad of reasons ... what then?

And when you go "up & over" or "down & under" someone's property will be affected by resumption.

Just so some impatient nong doesn't get held up on the way to Centrelink Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:25pm

Duzzen Madda... unless the Grappler Special Electric Car comes into vogue with its integrated moulded solar power panel roof etc... there wont be any cars on level crossings.. there'll only be Grappler Integrated Solar Roof Panel trains running.... with nuclear power station backup to the overhead lines....

Ah.. yes... the Good Old Future Days....... just like yesterday.... but better....

Mass transportation by 'alternative' power - only then the final outlying delivery by fossil fuel powered dinosaurs or electric trucks........ all else done by internet.... on the NBN that we had to have.... yes - we did.. just not how it was promoted..... as a tool for tools to play video games...

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Reply #22 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:50pm

i have to agree with gnads somewhat... looks as though everyone is calling for protection of peoples stupidity...

friends... we need to get rid of these idiots out of the gene pool.. Wink

there was a guy hit by a train here a few months back and it was all boo hoo... but then it circulated through the whole district that this guy was known never to stop at this particular crossing.. didn't even look.. Roll Eyes

then BAM>.!! game over...

train was early or late for some reason...

within the modern city we have to get smarter and rid rail crossings from the roads for traffic reasons...

there are so many cars on the roads these days that when the Boom Gates come down it takes an hour to clear congestion...

but like I was saying in another thread our governments have no vision... they have wasted out money on retarded things like north/south pipeline, desal plant, pink batts, school halls, Gonski, NDIS, NBN and the list goes on...

im not sure how people get sucked in to such garbage... Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:59pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Get rid of primitive people who are too stupid to realise that a train WILL win.
Level crossings are not, and never were, the problem.
IDIOTS are.

Agree.
Doesnt fit in with todays nanny state though kat.

Ive always found things like this to be a decent population control.

We lose a few idiots.

Probably not too many here can claim this, but I HAVE hit a car in a train.

On a level crossing. In 1981. I was the 'fireman'.

It was ALL his fault. But no fatalities. He survived. There were no serious injuries on the train.

BUT... Over thirty years later, I still wake up sweating and shaking sometimes
over it. It's serious nightmare-fodder, and they're dreams you REALLY don't want
to have, believe me.

You NEVER forget something like that. EVER.

And you NEVER 'get over it'.

It's NOT a smacking joke, and it's one subject I'm DEADLY serious about...

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Get Rid Of Primitive Level Train Crossings. Reply #25 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:53pm smack this forum's playing-up tonight...
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Reply #26 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:41am

Kat wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

[b][i]Probably not too many here can claim this, but I HAVE hit a car in a train.

On a level crossing. In 1981. I was the 'fireman'.

My condolences, kat.

I too have my post-traumatic nightmares.

I once did temporary casual work with two ex-Sydney train drivers (who didn't know each other). Both had run over suicides. That was enough for them to quit the job rather than face the daily prospect of going around the underground circuit anticipating someone jumping out infront of them.

I once came up onto Sydney's Burwood railway platform at around 9.30pm on my way to work, and found the police and ambos all over the place.

Down on the track there were four white sheets placed over lumps strewn for a 50 yards or so.

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Reply #27 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 7:17am

They say that since the fences went up on the West Gate Bridge suicide by trains are on the increase...

My sisterinlaw (the good one) has recently transferred to Melbourne lines and had her first fatality about a week back ... they don't get reported on much ...

But at the end of they day if someone wants to top themselves you can't stop them...

People die all of the time, it's part of life and we die in many different ways.. in Australia we are fortunate we live in a fairly civilized society..

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Reply #28 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:34am

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

As the Heartless Felon alluded to, in post #9, what is wrong with allowing a person to seek to remove their own self from the gene pool [because of their own cretinism], and at the same time, seeking high glory and 'immortality', as a top 10 nominee, in the Darwin Awards ?

15 minutes of fame for a cretin ?

Why not, i say ?

Kat wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Get rid of primitive people who are too stupid to realise that a train WILL win.
Level crossings are not, and never were, the problem.
IDIOTS are.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25pm:

Ive always found things like this to be a decent population control.

We lose a few idiots.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

i have to agree with gnads somewhat... looks as though everyone is calling for protection of peoples stupidity...

friends... we need to get rid of these idiots out of the gene pool.. Wink

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Nope, every fatality at level crossings is the result of incompetence or straight out stupidity on the part of the car drivers....

Not much Christmas good will amongst you lot.
Lots of ignorance though.

Sometimes these accidents are due to smart people just making an error of judgement. Sometimes they are children as pedestrians who don't know any better.

And then there is the case of the opening post

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Crucially, the report did not find that the driver behaved recklessly, but that she ''acted like most other drivers would in her situation'', entering the crossing before the bells and boom gates had activated, only to find a broken-down vehicle ahead blocking her way.

So its alright for you armchair experts to dismiss these deaths as "stupid people who deserve it". In the real world, sensible and intelligent people are looking for solutions.

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Reply #29 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:41am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

As the Heartless Felon alluded to, in post #9, what is wrong with allowing a person to seek to remove their own self from the gene pool [because of their own cretinism], and at the same time, seeking high glory and 'immortality', as a top 10 nominee, in the Darwin Awards ?

15 minutes of fame for a cretin ?

Why not, i say ?

Kat wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Get rid of primitive people who are too stupid to realise that a train WILL win.
Level crossings are not, and never were, the problem.
IDIOTS are.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25pm:

Ive always found things like this to be a decent population control.

We lose a few idiots.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

i have to agree with gnads somewhat... looks as though everyone is calling for protection of peoples stupidity...

friends... we need to get rid of these idiots out of the gene pool.. Wink

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Nope, every fatality at level crossings is the result of incompetence or straight out stupidity on the part of the car drivers....

Not much Christmas good will amongst you lot.
Lots of ignorance though.

Sometimes these accidents are due to smart people just making an error of judgement. Sometimes they are children as pedestrians who don't know any better.

And then there is the case of the opening post

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Crucially, the report did not find that the driver behaved recklessly, but that she ''acted like most other drivers would in her situation'', entering the crossing before the bells and boom gates had activated, only to find a broken-down vehicle ahead blocking her way.

So its alright for you armchair experts to dismiss these deaths as "stupid people who deserve it". In the real world, sensible and intelligent people are looking for solutions.

No.

Go back and re-read my post, #23.

Have you ever hit a car with a train?

Nothing 'armchair' about it, let me tell you.

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