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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #240 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:09pm Quote: The basis for exclusion is whether they oppose freedom and democracy, not their religion. Ok, but again, Taqiyyah is still in play. They could lie on the values test and say that they believe in democracy, etc. whilst not truly believing it.
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Reply #241 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:14pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

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The basis for exclusion is whether they oppose freedom and democracy, not their religion.

Ok, but again, Taqiyyah is still in play. They could lie on the values test and say that they believe in democracy, etc. whilst not truly believing it.

I've seen Muslims pretend to support freedom and democracy. It's hard to pretend you support something you do not understand.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #242 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:18pm FD's idea is to interrogate suspects muslim visa applicants for months on end until you can find a way to twist their answer "I support freedom and democracy" into "I want to kill all non-muslims and establish a Caliphate". Much like how this forum works.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52103 At my desk.	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #243 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:23pm Gandalf are you in favour of allowing people to migrate here who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy?
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #244 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:34pm Quote: I've seen Muslims pretend to support freedom and democracy. It's hard to pretend you support something you do not understand. Mmm. Ok.
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Reply #245 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

FD's idea is to interrogate suspects muslim visa applicants for months on end until you can find a way to twist their answer "I support freedom and democracy" into "I want to kill all non-muslims and establish a Caliphate".

Much like how this forum works.

Why do Muslims want to leave the 'Muslim lands' and come to the West - the West that 'meddles' with the Muslim lands 'all the time'.

I don't get it. Why don't they just be glad to live in the 'Muslim lands'?? Why are they flocking to the kuffar's lands - and not abandon Islam? I do think it is a takeover bid. It's 'Andalus' by stealth, once again.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #246 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:44pm Frank wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:40pm: Why do Muslims want to leave the 'Muslim lands' and come to the West maybe it's the weather? I hear it often rains bombs on their homeland
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #247 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:51pm John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Frank wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:40pm: Why do Muslims want to leave the 'Muslim lands' and come to the West maybe it's the weather? I hear it often rains bombs on their homeland Haha!
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Reply #248 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 10:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Why do Muslims want to leave the 'Muslim lands' and come to the West

maybe it's the weather? I hear it often rains bombs on their homeland

Why don't they go to peaceful Muslim countries. They have noice weather.

Are there any peaceful Muslims counties? What's which wanting to live among the kuffar??

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Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions
Reply #249 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

Frank wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 10:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Why do Muslims want to leave the 'Muslim lands' and come to the West

maybe it's the weather? I hear it often rains bombs on their homeland

Why don't they go to peaceful Muslim countries. They have noice weather.

Are there any peaceful Muslims counties? What's which wanting to live among the kuffar??

The reason why they want to live here is because of our high standard living, which is not matched by any Muslim-majority country (or many countries for that fact).

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Reply #250 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 10:49pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 5^th, 2017 at 10:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

The same way we judge them on the other requirements for citizenship.

Which is what exactly?

Aks them lots of questions. Look into their background.

So, questions like:

1) do you acknowledge that Mohammad was a power-hungry psychopath who led a death cult?

2) do you believe that men are 'maintainers of women' and that they may hit their wife if she disobeys him?

3) do you believe that the Quran:

- is wholly the word of god?
- is partially the word of god?
- is not the word of god?
- is the ravings of a lunatic?

A lot of people probably don't even know who Muhammad is. Finding out whether they are Muslim is only relevant to the extent that it suggests more specific questions about freedom and democracy.

But, a person could lie about being Muslim? They could use the strategy of 'Taqiyyah' of which I'm sure you are aware. This doctrine makes it permissible to conceal that you are a Muslim if you fear persecution. The religious authorities would just extend its use to include such a situation by making a ruling.

The basis for exclusion is whether they oppose freedom and democracy, not their religion.

Well, that, and their subhuman Negroid interbreeding.

A plausible theory, I'm shure you'll agree.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100476	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #251 - Jun 6^th, 2017 at 10:50pm freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Gandalf are you in favour of allowing people to migrate here who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy? Apart from Frank, you mean?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Pew survey of Muslims' opinions Reply #252 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 7:27am freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Gandalf are you in favour of allowing people to migrate here who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy? In principle yes. Not in favour of your "not religiously discriminatory but really is religiously discriminatory" interrogation proposal.
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Reply #253 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 7:27am:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Gandalf are you in favour of allowing people to migrate here who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy?

In principle yes.

Well you are an idiot then. What about in REALITY?

Not in favour of your "not religiously discriminatory but really is religiously discriminatory" interrogation proposal.

Everyone is interested in your solution Gandalf.... out with it...

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Reply #254 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 7:27am:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Gandalf are you in favour of allowing people to migrate here who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy?

In principle yes.

Not in favour of your "not religiously discriminatory but really is religiously discriminatory" interrogation proposal.

Do you think it is religious discrimination to exclude people who reject freedom?

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