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Reply #30 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:39am
 
No more merciful beheadings... no more scraps for the orphans from the kitchens.... AND CANCEL CHRISTMAS! 

And, BTW , on your way, Baldrick, to pick up that surly peon Jo Bloggs for the annual Peon Baiting with the dogs and stuff - see if you can find a few orphans to fling into a snowdrift or two!  And burn down that homeless shelter!  A burden on those of us who don't pay tax!

"Aye, mLod!"  (touch forelock)....

Why is it, d'ya think, that your average Unthinking Man's Non-Grappler thinks that  the word 'taxpayer' means someone who pays income tax?

We are ALL taxpayers - especially the unemployed - whose contribution back into the till is 100% on Pay Day in most cases.

Income tax only governs the rate at which tax returns to government for those who are bringing in over a specified amount.. nothing more.

I, Pensioner, pay for myself in taxes.. thanks very much!
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Reply #31 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:55pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 12:13pm:
Yeee-uzzz - but (there's that but again)... I've already cited the lack of real land available since it is all already enclosed.  What do we do?  Lob countless thousands of newly-created peons onto a farmer and tell him/her to employ them?


No. We create new states with new cities. Our existing states were British colonies as you are aware. Now It's time we considered creating some of our own. Follow the example of the most successful country on earth, with its 50 states. A starter would be the long overdue state of 'North Queensland'. Put the mouth from the north in charge. He'd be right at home as a state governor with that ten gallon hat of his. NQ would be modeled on it's geographically similar counterpart, Florida USA. With citrus and aquaculture, maybe even a space base.

We've got the example to follow. But what are Aussies doing intead? they're desperately trying to model themselves on the British. Aussieland is a nation in regression I'm afraid. And eventually Aussies will be begging the Brits to take full control. And What would be the first thing the British would do? rearrange AUS to get USA of course. Which wouldn't be a good thing, because we have to establish our own identity as Australians.    

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I also warn constantly about the rising trend towards totally controlling governments - and they will be welcomed here, as the Nazis were in Germany.


That Aussie need to spitefully penalize others, combined with their nationalism, predisposes them to fascism. And now that we have 'Aussie conservatives' in government federally and in most states, there is an extreme risk of fascism taking effective control. So don't make the mistake of believing that a dictatorship is a prerequisite, because it's not. It was back then in Hitlers' time. But now democratically installed fascism is the risk. And why this is, is because the older more philosophically aware are dying off, being replaced by a generation that has been been raised by TV sets. 

There is still time I believe to make the changes necessary to avert disaster, but whether or not an effective political force can be put together, I don't know.  Are there actually any patriots in this country, is the real question.

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When your socialists seek a world-wide 'equality for all' at the expense of their own, who go down to deepening poverty as a result, apart from the few privileged or lucky enough not to be in that situation;

and your conservatives only respond by punishing those in that situation more and more for being in that situation, while feathering the nests of the already privileged;

and neither 'side' can effectively handle the employment market, economy, workplace, society in general, and so forth;

and BOTH follow policies of offshoring - internationalising for whatever justifications they can offer to do so;

What happens then, inevitably, is the rise of a Nationalistic and Socialistic form of government with total control, which will set right all these problems and bring at least roughly equal opportunity and prosperity to the majority - who, as said, will welcome the torchlight parades involved etc and will revel in the persecution of those deemed to have been the persecutors in the past.... (something you see right now with the endless jihads against the 'persecutors' of the past - men).

It's called National Socialism....

Put the National interest first - then apply Socialist ideas to benefit the masses by holding tight control over everything in life and dictating who will employ whom, how much they will pay, what conditions will apply,  when and where a worker changes jobs, will control rents and property ownership, will dictate who will export what and when, and will approve or disapprove every action, and so forth....

Now - who will we elect Fuhrer?

Footnote:-  I see a very clear parallel here between the Weimar Republic and the current collapse of the West..... in some parts of the EEC you see already strong National Socialist movements....




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Reply #32 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:46pm
 
Yes indeed - the Nazis were elected, and then got a supine President to slot them into power - and once in - they held on.

You are correct in saying that de facto Fascism will be the way - I DID say that an elected government would come along and would be welcomed by those who are missing out now - same as in Weimar Germany - who will revel in the chance to exact vengeance on their 'oppressors'.

That lot will see nothing wrong - as the feminists do right now - in demanding that government legislate to resolve all of their personal issues - which will degenerate into a sort of Godfather complex, with the local Gauleiter making the decisions at the local level, sinc eindividual tailored legislation is an impossibility.

As said - the people will hand over their freedoms willingly for a 'better deal' and a chance at revenge, and they will only see what they have sacrificed when it is too late.

State of New England, Novocastria (Newcastle and Lower Hunter), Orana (Orange etc), Tweed State up North in NSW, Murrachussets (Muray Irrigation etc), and Sapphirea (South Coast below Wollongong)

In Victoria the Soverign State of Mallee,

Queensland had infinite room or many states.. same with South Australia and The West... we'll keep the Territ'ry for the gulags..... New Siberia....

Tasmania... hmmm.... Port Arthur could be..... Massacrechussets....  (poor taste joke)...
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Reply #33 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 6:51am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:44am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:41am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 7:24am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 7:03am:
Of course it's socialism Roll Eyes

It's actually rabid rampant global capitalism that's at the heart of our problem.

Money is made round to go round not flat to stack by the greedy filthy rich 1%.


Wink Wink, AH  but the consumer wants to buy trinkets on ebay for the lowest price.  the consumer LOVES this new global capitalism/socialism.  then the consumer complains when his labour is also sold on the international market for the lowest price.

it is the height of hypocricy (and it is an epic fail) for a western worker to demand a higher wage for the SAME work as a worker in china/india.  if you disagree, call the complaints line at fair work australia, i suspect you'll soon be speaking to a help desk worker in bombay Wink

Actually, what you're not saying is that we're in this position because the business community has been successfully pushing since the mid 80s to break down trade barriers with underdeveloped countries, knowing that the inevitable result would be to force down living standards in this country to the level of the working poor in the underdeveloped countries we now trade with. And the more free trade agreements this govt signs with developing nations the worse the problem will get.  And now we get employers like aquascoot (whose mob has been pushing for this all along) telling us we're hypocrites for wanting to maintain higher wages then our Asian counterparts.  Of course that's because our loss of wages will go straight into his greedy pocket and do nothing for the country as a whole.  Just serve to enrich him with govt debt still rising because in addition to our falling wages he will continue to push for a lower tax rate for the business community along with regular tax cuts (for him); an ever increasing list of tax deductions and subsidies for him and his business, while all the time continuing to agitate for less govt programs that would have otherwise helped you in your coming poverty. We don't have to continue on this path that aquascoot and his mob try and drum into us is the only way. 



Hay spartacus,  all these changes flow back to one government.  that hero of the left,  paul keating. Wink Wink

thoughts?


Yes I have always said that Hawke and Keating are the 2 most effective liberal Prime Ministers in Australian history, followed by Howard who consolidated all the neocon work of the Hawke/Keating years. Anyone on the labor side of politics who celebrates the Hawke/Keating years, clearly support the labor label (like football fans) but have no real sympathy for or understanding of the traditional labor cause.

And its interesting how that occurred. It's clear after Gough Whitlam that the Americans were not going to allow labor to return to power unless they swung dramatically to the right and Hawke spent a lot of time during the Fraser years cultivating a cosy relationship with the business elite while that Americafile Bob Carr reported regularly to the US embassy on labor party goings on and ratted on who in the party was and who wasn't to be trusted to protect American interests.  And its been that way ever since.      



thats a very inciteful post and shows you to have a brain.  i was a bit of a lefty at uni, mainly because i liked fighting with the qld police as part of the uni "rent a mob'  i cant even remeber what we were fighting about. the springboks or some such rubbish.  i have since come to see the labor hierachy as true class traitors.  i dont think the liberals stand up for small business and farmers either.  its why i tend to believe the best thing for the country is for canberra to do as little as possible whilst the leadership is so clueless  Wink
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Reply #34 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 7:26am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Yes indeed - the Nazis were elected, and then got a supine President to slot them into power - and once in - they held on.

You are correct in saying that de facto Fascism will be the way - I DID say that an elected government would come along and would be welcomed by those who are missing out now - same as in Weimar Germany - who will revel in the chance to exact vengeance on their 'oppressors'.

That lot will see nothing wrong - as the feminists do right now - in demanding that government legislate to resolve all of their personal issues - which will degenerate into a sort of Godfather complex, with the local Gauleiter making the decisions at the local level, sinc eindividual tailored legislation is an impossibility.

As said - the people will hand over their freedoms willingly for a 'better deal' and a chance at revenge, and they will only see what they have sacrificed when it is too late.

State of New England, Novocastria (Newcastle and Lower Hunter), Orana (Orange etc), Tweed State up North in NSW, Murrachussets (Muray Irrigation etc), and Sapphirea (South Coast below Wollongong)

In Victoria the Soverign State of Mallee,

Queensland had infinite room or many states.. same with South Australia and The West... we'll keep the Territ'ry for the gulags..... New Siberia....

Tasmania... hmmm.... Port Arthur could be..... Massacrechussets....  (poor taste joke)...



Interesting post,  funny too and well written.  maybe not acurate but thought provoking Wink
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Reply #35 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 7:32am
 
Oh well - then.... to fix the potential error - we'll call it Greater Mallee....

But the theory of cruise ships is solid!
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Reply #36 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 1:10pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Yes indeed - the Nazis were elected, and then got a supine President to slot them into power - and once in - they held on.


You are correct in saying that de facto Fascism will be the way - I DID say that an elected government would come along and would be welcomed by those who are missing out now - same as in Weimar Germany - who will revel in the chance to exact vengeance on their 'oppressors'.


Fascism can be democratic, there's no need for it to be 'defacto'. Because the nature of democracy is that it really caters to the majority, to hell with the rights of the individual or a minority. Which is part of what really defines fascism. All that is needed is for that majority to be nationalistic. 'Aussies' aren't arrogant like the Germans were, but their spitefulness would substitute for that.

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That lot will see nothing wrong - as the feminists do right now - in demanding that government legislate to resolve all of their personal issues - which will degenerate into a sort of Godfather complex, with the local Gauleiter making the decisions at the local level, since individual tailored legislation is an impossibility.

As said - the people will hand over their freedoms willingly for a 'better deal' and a chance at revenge, and they will only see what they have sacrificed when it is too late.


It won't need to follow the same course as Nazi Germany. Fascism can sustain itself. The 'workers' can be made comfortable, living until they reach the point of diminishing returns. Then being sent to an expiry center, where they'll live out the final year of their lives happily, then be painlessly euthanized surrounded by loved ones and friends. Human beings are very flexible when it comes to any particular lifestyle or its outcome. Aussies would have no trouble accepting these rules. 

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State of New England, Novocastria (Newcastle and Lower Hunter), Orana (Orange etc), Tweed State up North in NSW, Murrachussets (Muray Irrigation etc), and Sapphirea (South Coast below Wollongong)

In Victoria the Soverign State of Mallee,

Queensland had infinite room or many states.. same with South Australia and The West... we'll keep the Territ'ry for the gulags..... New Siberia....

Tasmania... hmmm.... Port Arthur could be..... Massacrechussets....  (poor taste joke)...


I've never been able to come up with more than 3 new states, and I've been thinking it over for decades.  It's not a matter of creating names or drawing lines on a map. These new regions would have to be more than just self sustaining. They would need to be contributors, and not spoon-fed dependents surviving on federal money. And 'separatism', being based on selfishness, would have to be guarded against too. It would all need to be done by the federal government working with existing states.
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Reply #37 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 1:51pm
 
Yeeee--uuuzzz... umm.. the New States (New Territories) would be in line for GST cash..... a formula would need to be sorted out...

New England could chew into the fracking business at Narrabri for a kick...

Agree it would be a lot of work... I'm declaring independent sovereignty right now.... start whistling Dixie, boys!

Umm - yeess.. Fascism would just 'naturally' grow - I mean - look at the subservient way we allow things to be done now, and always for our own good.... what is there to stop the rise of Il Presidente Supremo Fuhrer Big Brother Uncle Benevolent Diktator and the 'flow-down' of the same 'Godfather' style of control into the local level?

"I do this thing for you.... I use power to fix your little trouble.. one day you do something for me"  .. meantime I have control over YOU as well as over those I 'fix' on your behalf...

Just business....

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