Of course it's socialism

It's actually rabid rampant global capitalism that's at the heart of our problem.

Money is made round to go round not flat to stack by the greedy filthy rich 1%.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 7:24am:

Actually, what you're not saying is that we're in this position because the business community has been successfully pushing since the mid 80s to break down trade barriers with underdeveloped countries, knowing that the inevitable result would be to force down living standards in this country to the level of the working poor in the underdeveloped countries we now trade with. And the more free trade agreements this govt signs with developing nations the worse the problem will get.  And now we get employers like aquascoot (whose mob has been pushing for this all along) telling us we're hypocrites for wanting to maintain higher wages then our Asian counterparts.  Of course that's because our loss of wages will go straight into his greedy pocket and do nothing for the country as a whole.  Just serve to enrich him with govt debt still rising because in addition to our falling wages he will continue to push for a lower tax rate for the business community along with regular tax cuts (for him); an ever increasing list of tax deductions and subsidies for him and his business, while all the time continuing to agitate for less govt programs that would have otherwise helped you in your coming poverty. We don't have to continue on this path that aquascoot and his mob try and drum into us is the only way.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 2:39am:


Our vulnerability to regimented systems of government has been a concern of mine starting decades back. So I'm the last one to want the people being herded anywhere, and that's ignoring their sheep-like behavior.

What I was saying is that traditionalism itself offers potential cures for that many of societies problems that it would act like a panacea.

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People can manage to fit into cities that were created over a hundred years ago, but can't fit into the big empty countryside?

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85% of the population live within 50km of the coast, most of them in concentrated in cities.

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aquascoot wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:44am:


Yes I have always said that Hawke and Keating are the 2 most effective liberal Prime Ministers in Australian history, followed by Howard who consolidated all the neocon work of the Hawke/Keating years. Anyone on the labor side of politics who celebrates the Hawke/Keating years, clearly support the labor label (like football fans) but have no real sympathy for or understanding of the traditional labor cause.

And its interesting how that occurred. It's clear after Gough Whitlam that the Americans were not going to allow labor to return to power unless they swung dramatically to the right and Hawke spent a lot of time during the Fraser years cultivating a cosy relationship with the business elite while that Americafile Bob Carr reported regularly to the US embassy on labor party goings on and ratted on who in the party was and who wasn't to be trusted to protect American interests.  And its been that way ever since.      

GA wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

Trouble with that idea is.... (rolling thunder off-stage) .. there are too many people to fit into the countryside now.

People can manage to fit into cities that were created over a hundred years ago, but can't fit into the big empty countryside?

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It's like the Scottish Highlands out there after enclosure - all the lairds control huge swathes of it, and the crofters and clans people... well.. there's just no room for them on their ancestral land any more.

85% of the population live within 50km of the coast, most of them in concentrated in cities.

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Yeee-uzzz - but (there's that but again)... I've already cited the lack of real land available since it is all already enclosed.  What do we do?  Lob countless thousands of newly-created peons onto a farmer and tell him/her to employ them?

I also warn constantly about the rising trend towards totally controlling governments - and they will be welcomed here, as the Nazis were in Germany.

When your socialists seek a world-wide 'equality for all' at the expense of their own, who go down to deepening poverty as a result, apart from the few privileged or lucky enough not to be in that situation;

and your conservatives only respond by punishing those in that situation more and more for being in that situation, while feathering the nests of the already privileged;

and neither 'side' can effectively handle the employment market, economy, workplace, society in general, and so forth;

and BOTH follow policies of offshoring - internationalising for whatever justifications they can offer to do so;

What happens then, inevitably, is the rise of a Nationalistic and Socialistic form of government with total control, which will set right all these problems and bring at least roughly equal opportunity and prosperity to the majority - who, as said, will welcome the torchlight parades involved etc and will revel in the persecution of those deemed to have been the persecutors in the past.... (something you see right now with the endless jihads against the 'persecutors' of the past - men).

It's called National Socialism....

Put the National interest first - then apply Socialist ideas to benefit the masses by holding tight control over everything in life and dictating who will employ whom, how much they will pay, what conditions will apply,  when and where a worker changes jobs, will control rents and property ownership, will dictate who will export what and when, and will approve or disapprove every action, and so forth....

Now - who will we elect Fuhrer?

Footnote:-  I see a very clear parallel here between the Weimar Republic and the current collapse of the West..... in some parts of the EEC you see already strong National Socialist movements....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:
And thats why I believe that the only system that will work in our interests is a socialist system combined with a direct democracy.

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No, not sliding.

Dragged.

By idiotic and unnecessary conned-servative 'austerity' and
the crime that is free trade.