cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 8:27am:


The demand for energy to feed this massive global population has become so great it's unsustainable and it makes sense that we continue to endeavour to find energy alternatives and supplements aside from oil. It is a costly commodity to access in every way. We only have to look at the oil spills, wars and pollution the use of this product creates.

Can we r ape this planet indefinitely Cods? It is becoming depleted as demand exceeds supply. Unfortunately many from the right believe in pillaging every resource they can lay their hands on regardless of the heavy cost to life and the environment along the way. It's there - just take it. Who cares about the future or the collateral damage?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:19am:


Yes it would have been more prudent, but the US has its own oil boom currently and over the past few years appear to have lost interest in Iraqi oil. Of course this doesn't make much sense economically, but when have the US ever been good economic managers? The US administration jumps in feet first when the big boys put pressure on them and then later decide that maybe it wasn't such a good move. The people pay for the errors of their leaders and not just in the US.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:19am:


Their huge debt wasn't accumulated just because of the Iraq invasion. The gambling prior to the GFC  took a heavy toll on their economy. Trillions were borrowed between 2000 and 2007 for investment in dodgy hedge funds and risky sub-prime mortgages. The US had to dramatically increase borrowing again to prop up their banks and other essential industries when the GFC hit.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:19am:


The Bush administration was closely associated with the oil barons and the Saudis - the Bush family also being part of the conglomerate. Dick Cheney was a major player in Halliburton. This is only a fragment of the many reasons Iraq was invaded. The justification presented to us was a lie and this was confirmed later.

If the administration had given a stuff about the country or the people - they would have introduced some regulation and transparency into their spending and borrowing.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:19am:


So - what were their purposes? Surely you don't believe the fable that it was to bring democracy into Iraq?

No WMD were ever found. We killed more people with our invasion than Saddam ever did.

The US have replaced one tyrant for another.

The US disregard the mess they leave behind while they're striving for some unobtainable ideology always justifying it on a false premise.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


Nobody ever claimed this was the reason for invading Iraq.

And nor was the oil ~ no matter who is saying that now. Why did Iraq mk1 Operation Desert Storm end when it had the troops on the ground and the logistics all set for a push up into Iraq from the Kuwaiti border?

That would suggest they were still waiting on confirmation about WMD.
Scroll down to Richard Butler at UNSCROM. Read what he was telling anybody who would listen to him ~ including the US administration.

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mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


It has been widely suspected that the weapons were trucked over the border in petrol tankers.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


Saddam gratuitously started a war with Iraq to bring them into the Arab fold. 8 years and over a million lives.

On the other hand, the Coalition of the Willing lost twice the men they would have done if they hadn't been ordered to protect the civilian public by fighting house-to-house without a preliminary bombardment of areas known to be infested with insurgents.

After Saddam was defeated, the CoW ground troops then began to discover police torture chambers up and down the country, and unmarked mass-graves.

And how many civilian deaths have there been now from sectarian bombings? America's fault? Hardly. It's Muslims Behaving Badly whenever there isn't a tyrant to threaten them with torture chambers and unmarked mass graves.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


The US has installed the makings of a democracy. It's taking its baby steps now for only the first time in its history.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


The US continues to pour zillions into the country.

Having said the above, I no longer trust the US to make good decisions of any kind.

'YANKEE GO HOME!' just about says it for me now.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 10:52am:





so only lefties thnink about the planet.. ho hum.. you didnt answer the question I notice..

do you go without using fossil fuel???... and the answer is NO YOU DONT..sorry mantra but we can all stand on soap boxes and preach..but do bugger all to change anything....

you are using a computer at this very moment.. and it all uses fossil fuel its hardly saving the PLANET you seem so worried about..god only knows how much was used to make the thing in the first place..

when I see lefties living in caves without electricity or cars or computers...let me know.. wont you I will come and see for myself..pigeons are a good way of communication  in case you have forgotten..

you are so far up yourselves... I am sure you only blame libs for any wars or devastation..

lefties all walk around with their halos in tact.. praying for the libs souls...

pompous lot... you actually believe your waffle... HILARIOUS>

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:


Yes they did. When they didn't uncover weapons of mass destruction - the new propaganda line spruiked by Bush and Howard was that their mission was to bring democracy to Iraq.

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Then why didn't they wait? There was never any confirmation.

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Butler's comments were only supposition, but we were told we had to bomb Iraq because there were definitely WMD. No WMD were recovered anywhere. The WMD theory was an excuse to control Iraq and when that didn't materialise, they spruiked the democracy propaganda.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


It has been widely suspected that the weapons were trucked over the border in petrol tankers. [/quote]

More supposition. So we bombed the guts out of Iraq on a theory.

mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


Saddam gratuitously started a war with Iraq to bring them into the Arab fold. 8 years and over a million lives. [/quote]

Yet he was only charged with something like the death of 128 - small fry compared to the many deaths of soldiers and civilians Bush and Howard were responsible for.

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How did they protect the civilians? Bombs misfired and were also dropped indiscriminately on the advice of half baked intelligence. Thousands of innocent people were mutilated or killed.

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So we were told?

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Perhaps they are trying to protect their homelands? After 9/11 we certainly went to great lengths by bombing Afghanistan to bits and slaughtering thousands of civilians in order to find the great Osama who apparently wasn't even in the country.

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And we agree on this Herbert. 

mantra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:




sorry didnt mean to sound rude.. but then you greenies are always accusing righties of doing nothing... and you really dont think you carry this burden alone do you???.. the trouble is you think throwing money at it is thats its about...oh Ive done my bit...so to speak..we brought in a CARBON TAX,

,hasnt made one iota of difference..but dont lets talk about that.

I am a great one for believing in doing as I say....not just telling everyone else to do it..

in case you havent noticed mantra the world is changing EVERY DAY>

the last i heard global pop was 6/7billion not 9bill..


its got nothing to do with what we believe... its happening anyway why dont you accept that??..


you want your bloody wind farms youve got them...

I havent seen one righty tying themselves to a fence post to stop the trillions of cement and water needed to build your wind farms..

so you do want to live in caves.. I get it.. if we stop digging coal up tomorrow there will be very little electricity.. to run homes let alone factories and and hospitals..if you had your way you would stop all that overnight... and then what??????????????..

oh thats right you dont want to put a time limit on using your computer or your tv or you car or your lawn mower.or all those electrical appliances in your house.. will you be willing to turn your fridge off for 12 hours a day..

of course not.. but you snear at all those who say.. coal is fine it has been for centuries..something will take its place eventually  its called progress...

but no we are are the sceptics the filthy  trashers of the universe..now that is rude.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am:


That's all I'm allowing you ~ We're going to get back on topic any moment NOW.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am:


I used the word 'murder' to copy what someone here was inferring that soldiers do.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am:


Would such a polite enema be an enemy at all? Come knocking on the door? "Excuse me sir, would you very much mind signing this petition please, that gives us control of your government?"

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cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am:


I KNEW you had it in you to solve the problem of the destroyed infrastructure after a nuclear bomb ... GAS! Your genius is not generally recognised, cods, but this shall change shortly. There'll be statues to you in Seoul. 

mantra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:


Well Hallelujah, Praise the Lord! 

Now I can get back to teaching my cats how to use the toilet bowl AND how to flush their little floaters away.