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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #120 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:16pm John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:11pm: who will you listen to? Lady Mantra.
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Reply #121 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:29pm

mantra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

So you judge all breeds on the actions of a smacking guard dog in China.....and the actions of a cross bred dog your brother had? Oh yes and the articles you search out online about breeds you deem to be dangerous ......sounds a bit like your fairy tale about being a former policeman.....then you suddenly change your mind and admit you were talking crap.......no ego problem here, but you appear to have a credibility problem Herbert.

Incidentally, just because a dog is a certain breed, DOES NOT mean it's from the working bloodlines of the same breed......ie all GSDs are not working bloodlines!

Anyway, you stay with your cats mate......you should be safe there......unless you visit the zoo.....!

Can you see the irony in your post?

Angry people shouldn't own dogs renowned for aggressiveness. Yes the owners can be held partly responsible for the actions of a savage dog. If they've got a short fuse - the dog usually picks up on it and behaves accordingly.

What is ironic Mantra, is that you should chip in with the intention of making an observation mainly to derogate me, and you basically confirm what I have been saying all along, that breeds are not dangerous in themselves, they are turned that way by people who have no idea what they are doing, and in this case it would appear people who have no idea what they are talking about.

The señora is right Herbert, there is no love lost between the two of us, but I think he understands and appreciates where I'm coming from in this thread.

Anyway, time to break off my contribution to this subject. I think I'm going up against a brick wall here, therefore I'll allow you to breath a sigh of relief Herbert and maintain your educated opinion on this matter.
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Reply #122 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

viewpoint wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

I'll allow you to breath a sigh of relief Herbert and maintain your educated opinion on this matter.

The only reason you disagree with me is because you didn't read, mark, and inwardly digest the points I made in support of the fact that some canine breeds are of a more 'robust' temperament than others.

If this were not so, then there wouldn't be the stereotype of the would-be 'tough-guy' young male who needs to inflate his ego by owning one of a known breed of dangerous dog to demonstrate his macho credentials.

John Smith calls these type of dogs ~ 'real dogs'.

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Reply #123 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

I'll allow you to breath a sigh of relief Herbert and maintain your educated opinion on this matter.

The only reason you disagree with me is because you didn't read, mark, and inwardly digest the points I made in support of the fact that some canine breeds are of a more 'robust' temperament than others.

If this were not so, then there wouldn't be the stereotype of the would-be 'tough-guy' young male who needs to inflate his ego by owning one of a known breed of dangerous dog to demonstrate his macho credentials.

John Smith calls these type of dogs ~ 'real dogs'.

and? I don't think there should be any confusion between your dog and your dolls Herb .... you seem to mix them up

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Reply #124 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:52pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

I'm not a fan of viewpoint, he normally misses the point altogether.

Precisely.

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(Have you noticed how the polling has gone from 3 to 4 ~~ to 3 to 11 all of a sudden after weeks of inertia?)

perhaps because the whole thread got sidetracked ... when was the last post about the OP?

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Reply #126 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:

who will you listen to?

Lady Mantra.

only whilst she agrees with you

As long as people remain civil - it's OK to have opposing views.

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

and? I don't think there should be any confusion between your dog and your dolls Herb .... you seem to mix them up

I had always owned "real" dogs until not so long ago. They were loyal, loving and obedient for me - but visitors occasionally were quite scared of them. This is how I wanted them to be at the time, but lately my views have changed.

There are so many breeds mixed into your average dog now that you can't be sure what you're going to end up with. You have no idea if the dog had a good start in life or what the temperament of the parents might be. We hear too many stories about these gentle dogs suddenly turning on someone that you start to think that it's a gamble getting a "real" dog.

I've always bought my dogs from the RSPCA, but today I wouldn't. It's too risky. Even buying a purebred can be problematic unless you sight a long recorded lineage of well behaved and healthy dogs.

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Reply #127 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:49am

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

If this were not so, then there wouldn't be the stereotype of the would-be 'tough-guy' young male who needs to inflate his ego by owning one of a known breed of dangerous dog to demonstrate his macho credentials.

John Smith calls these type of dogs ~ 'real dogs'.

and?

Thank you.

I rest my case.

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Reply #128 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:54am

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:

who will you listen to?

Lady Mantra.

only whilst she agrees with you

Whenever Lady Mantra mounts her soap box to hold forth on Leftwing causes, I simply sneak off to the kitchen to make myself a cup of tea until she has finished.

It's all very civilised. No name-calling. No heckling her from the back of the crowd.

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Reply #129 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 7:05am

mantra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

You have no idea if the dog had a good start in life or what the temperament of the parents might be.

"...the temperament of the parents ..." Exactly. Congenital factors alone can influence a dog to be a potential danger to little kids, etc.

mantra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

We hear too many stories about these gentle dogs suddenly turning on someone that you start to think that it's a gamble getting a "real" dog.

It happened to me. I had a 'loving relationship' with one of my brother's German Shepherds until one day, out of the blue, while I was sitting quietly with my brother, the dog started to stare at me and growl.

Since that very moment I have never trusted a dog.

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Reply #130 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 7:42am

I have a dear friend lives in another party of OZ..dog 11 yrs old..
always escaping from yard been bailed from the pound far too many times..she is/was a good dog at home.but an unhappy dog..never trained to walk properly taking her for a walk was a nightmare..as she hated all dogs and pulled like mad.. so hardly went for walks......now she has gone for the last time.. she is not in the pound and they did spend a day or so looking for her....now he wants another dog...friend doesnt as she has two young children thats enough...but its his house so his yard so his decision...........I am mortified...as well as she but what can you do to stop someone who thinks animals train themselves Roll Eyes

they even went to the extreme of electric fencing...and collar for the dog.....she said the pound keeper laughed when he saw it...

they live in cyclone country so have to have wire fencing..

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Reply #131 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 9:23am

I'm in a painful moral dilemma at the moment.

I have a neighbour who is a genuine psychopath, divorced and lives alone.

Every six months or so the dog he has, disappears, never to be seen again. A few weeks later another dog appears in his backyard ~ at first friendly and with a waggly tail, as though it has been a family pet somewhere.

But then it gets ignored, and left alone for most of the day while it barks and pines incessantly. I think the fellow does nightshift, and sleeps during the day.

A few weeks later the dog disappears, to be replaced a few weeks after that by another friendly dog.

This pattern repeats itself, year in year out.

I strongly suspect this bastard either steals these dogs or receives them from dog-nappers, and after a period of de-socialisation he then sells or uses these dogs for dog-fighting.

If the council or any other authority was to come and question him about this, he'd know it was me, and it would then only be a matter of time before I'd have to sell up and move to another suburb.

This is the charmer who threatened to pour petrol over my backyard and set it alight where some of my bushes were overhanging into his backyard.

He's been here about 7 years now. I never talk to him. I believe him to have a genuinely psychotic personality. No heart. No ability to empathise. A sociopathic loner.

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Reply #132 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 12:16pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

If this were not so, then there wouldn't be the stereotype of the would-be 'tough-guy' young male who needs to inflate his ego by owning one of a known breed of dangerous dog to demonstrate his macho credentials.

John Smith calls these type of dogs ~ 'real dogs'.

and?

Thank you.

I rest my case.

there was a case? Shocked

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #133 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 12:18pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 9:23am: This is the charmer who threatened to pour petrol over my backyard and set it alight where some of my bushes were overhanging into his backyard. you have such a way with people herb, I'm surprised he felt this way
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Reply #134 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 12:22pm

mantra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:

who will you listen to?

Lady Mantra.

only whilst she agrees with you

As long as people remain civil - it's OK to have opposing views.

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

and? I don't think there should be any confusion between your dog and your dolls Herb .... you seem to mix them up

I had always owned "real" dogs until not so long ago. They were loyal, loving and obedient for me - but visitors occasionally were quite scared of them. This is how I wanted them to be at the time, but lately my views have changed.

There are so many breeds mixed into your average dog now that you can't be sure what you're going to end up with. You have no idea if the dog had a good start in life or what the temperament of the parents might be. We hear too many stories about these gentle dogs suddenly turning on someone that you start to think that it's a gamble getting a "real" dog.

I've always bought my dogs from the RSPCA, but today I wouldn't. It's too risky. Even buying a purebred can be problematic unless you sight a long recorded lineage of well behaved and healthy dogs.

I have always kept Dobermen ... With a complete pedigree, history of linege etc .although I don't have a dog now, my current line of work makes it difficult. If you ask Herb I'll bet he'll tell you it's a dangerous breed. never in over 15 yrs and several dogs, has one of my dogs ever barked aggresivly at someone let alone tried to bite anyone. Another dog, different story, but a person NEVER ...

the only danger to people was their over reactions.

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