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Reply #105 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am
 
You are equating "dangerous" with specific breeds because of media coverage of dog bites. The media do not want to know if a border collie, foxy, or dachshund bites somebody, but if a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or a Dobermann bites somebody it is big news, and yes obviously if a bigger dog bites it causes more damage. However, the question isn't about which breed of dog bites, it is about why the owner didn't socialise and train the animal when he got it. Why the new owner didn't know the dog was unreliable and had a history of aggression if it was a rescue, and if so why it wasn't either retrained or euthanised before it injured somebody.

Natural instinct in canines has always required that there is a leader (Alpha) which the pack follows, a dog owner should take the place of the Alpha and dictate which direction the dog takes; this is naturally accepted and in fact preferred by dogs. Any breed will eventually go rogue or become destructive if unsupervised, unsocialised, untrained, ill treated, or left to its own devices and becomes bored.




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Reply #106 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:12am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:29am:
If you want to keep a dog, keep a real dog ..

nothing sh1ts me more than these idiots with toy dogs that dress them up in dresses or put ribbons on them ... but a f#ken doll if you want to play dress ups.


Horses for courses. Depends on what you want a mutt for.
i should have known you would be the type to dress up your dogs Grin Grin Grin


To be honest, if my three cats were to suddenly disappear and I won a raffle to have my front yard fenced in from the street ~ I would buy a Hound from Hell after the experience I had a few years ago when a thug was trying to break into my house while knowing I was here.

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Reply #107 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:12am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:45am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:06am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:40am:
Insecure people own big dogs.
Stupid insecure people own big dangerous dogs.

Shoot the dogs, sterilise the owners.


stupid insecure people make comments like the one above


Intelligent, self-aware, socially responsible, productive, handsome people don't have any dogs.

oh, I don't own a dog !!


why thank you ... neither do I ...

although your comment is still crap.
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Reply #108 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:14am
 
viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am:
You are equating "dangerous" with specific breeds because of media coverage of dog bites. The media do not want to know if a border collie, foxy, or dachshund bites somebody, but if a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or a Dobermann bites somebody it is big news, and yes obviously if a bigger dog bites it causes more damage. However, the question isn't about which breed of dog bites, it is about why the owner didn't socialise and train the animal when he got it. Why the new owner didn't know the dog was unreliable and had a history of aggression if it was a rescue, and if so why it wasn't either retrained or euthanised before it injured somebody.

Natural instinct in canines has always required that there is a leader (Alpha) which the pack follows, a dog owner should take the place of the Alpha and dictate which direction the dog takes; this is naturally accepted and in fact preferred by dogs. Any breed will eventually go rogue or become destructive if unsupervised, unsocialised, untrained, ill treated, or left to its own devices and becomes bored.




the breed responsible for most bites in Australia is actually the cattle dog ... yet you never see that on the news. Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #109 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 12:55pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am:
You are equating "dangerous" with specific breeds because of media coverage of dog bites. The media do not want to know if a border collie, foxy, or dachshund bites somebody, but if a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or a Dobermann bites somebody it is big news, and yes obviously if a bigger dog bites it causes more damage.


Keep going, View. Don't stop now. You're slowly nutting-out the fact that some breeds are dangerous, and some are not, and this depends upon whether they're more likely to nip your finger or rip your face off.

It's also a matter of which breeds are more intensely loyal and protective of their 'family'.

viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:56am:
Any breed will eventually go rogue or become destructive if unsupervised, unsocialised, untrained, ill treated, or left to its own devices and becomes bored.


Exactly.

And these can be divided into the breeds which then become dangerous to humans, and the breeds which don't.
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Reply #110 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
Herbert, I see comprehension isn't one of your strongpoints. I said, and meant, and you know, that owners and poor breeding dictate the temperament of a dog, not the breed. Don't interpret my posts according to your own definition of canine behaviour. I have studied and worked in this field for a number of years, you on the other hand judge breeds with your incorrect perception of their appearance and the way owners, breeders, and sometimes organisations mistreat them. Then you blame any adverse and natural reaction on the animal.
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Reply #111 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:04pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Herbert, I see comprehension isn't one of your strongpoints. I said, and meant, and you know, that owners and poor breeding dictate the temperament of a dog, not the breed.


Well, that's not entirely true.

You seem to be stubbornly holding onto the idea that all dogs are born equal, and that it's only contact with humans that differentiate them thereafter.

Not true.

Part of the reason for 'dangerous breeds' is that they have very powerful pack instincts which drive them to protect and defend a little more aggressively than the more passive breeds.

Trust me, I know about dangerous breeds of dog.

I had to have 14 injections in my stomach at a hospital to ensure against rabies when I got mauled by a guard dog in China, and my brother had to have his X-Alsatian put down because it was too loyal to him only, and not so much the rest of the family.

Perhaps if you tried a little harder to divorce your ego from the subject of this discussion you wouldn't feel so threatened by being found wanting in your opinions.



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Reply #112 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:14am:


the breed responsible for most bites in Australia is actually the cattle dog ... yet you never see that on the news. Cheesy Cheesy


Correct.

And who knows why it is still legal for working dogs to be allowed to be kept by people living in suburban homes.

Working dogs need plenty of space and room to move. They are not designed to be domestic pets.
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Reply #113 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:45pm
 
So you judge all breeds on the actions of a smacking guard dog in China.....and the actions of a cross bred dog your brother had? Oh yes and the articles you search out online about breeds you deem to be dangerous ......sounds a bit like your fairy tale about being a former policeman.....then you suddenly change your mind and admit you were talking crap.......no ego problem here, but you appear to have a credibility problem Herbert.

Incidentally, just because a dog is a certain breed, DOES NOT mean it's from the working bloodlines of the same breed......ie all GSDs are not working bloodlines!

Anyway, you stay with your cats mate......you should be safe there......unless you visit the zoo.....!
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Reply #114 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 4:20pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
Oh yes and the articles you search out online about breeds you deem to be dangerous ......


We've been in the Information Age for quite some time now, and what this means is that there's a lot of credible and academically sound information about such things as dangerous breeds of dog.

So far you haven't responded to even one of the points I've made. Not one.

I don't mind if you and 'John Smith' have closet self-image problems of a sexual nature that require you to own the sort of killer-dogs that help to disguise your secret fears.

That's okay with me.  Smiley


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viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
So you judge all breeds on the actions of a smacking guard dog in China.....and the actions of a cross bred dog your brother had? Oh yes and the articles you search out online about breeds you deem to be dangerous ......sounds a bit like your fairy tale about being a former policeman.....then you suddenly change your mind and admit you were talking crap.......no ego problem here, but you appear to have a credibility problem Herbert.

Incidentally, just because a dog is a certain breed, DOES NOT mean it's from the working bloodlines of the same breed......ie all GSDs are not working bloodlines!

Anyway, you stay with your cats mate......you should be safe there......unless you visit the zoo.....!


Can you see the irony in your post?

Angry people shouldn't own dogs renowned for aggressiveness. Yes the owners can be held partly responsible for the actions of a savage dog. If they've got a short fuse - the dog usually picks up on it and behaves accordingly.
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Reply #116 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:03pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
viewpoint wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
So you judge all breeds on the actions of a smacking guard dog in China.....and the actions of a cross bred dog your brother had? Oh yes and the articles you search out online about breeds you deem to be dangerous ......sounds a bit like your fairy tale about being a former policeman.....then you suddenly change your mind and admit you were talking crap.......no ego problem here, but you appear to have a credibility problem Herbert.

Incidentally, just because a dog is a certain breed, DOES NOT mean it's from the working bloodlines of the same breed......ie all GSDs are not working bloodlines!

Anyway, you stay with your cats mate......you should be safe there......unless you visit the zoo.....!


Can you see the irony in your post?

Angry people shouldn't own dogs renowned for aggressiveness. Yes the owners can be held partly responsible for the actions of a savage dog. If they've got a short fuse - the dog usually picks up on it and behaves accordingly.


In views defense (and I'mnot a fan of viewpoint, he normally misses the point altogether ) Mother Theresa herself would eventually get pissed off trying to reason with Herbert.  He has no idea.
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Reply #117 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
Can you see the irony in your post?

Angry people shouldn't own dogs renowned for aggressiveness. Yes the owners can be held partly responsible for the actions of a savage dog. If they've got a short fuse - the dog usually picks up on it and behaves accordingly.


Well said. If VP won't listen to me, maybe he'll listen to you.


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Reply #118 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
mantra wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
Can you see the irony in your post?

Angry people shouldn't own dogs renowned for aggressiveness. Yes the owners can be held partly responsible for the actions of a savage dog. If they've got a short fuse - the dog usually picks up on it and behaves accordingly.


Well said. If VP won't listen to me, maybe he'll listen to you.




who will you listen too?
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Reply #119 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
I'm not a fan of viewpoint, he normally misses the point altogether.


Precisely.

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