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Dec 21^st, 2013 at 7:00am

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Pitbull owner whose crazed dog savaged five police officers wins legal appeal because THEY let it out of his house during raid

Did the Appeals Court get this right?

I don't think so.

The man should not have had an animal in the house that had the potential to be such a threat to human life. It doesn't matter that it was the police who opened the door.

Once again we witness the judiciary getting it badly wrong and making a mockery of commonsense.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #1 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 7:02am There's a poll.
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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #2 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 7:54am Quite simply, the dog owner should have had the dog under control. From what I can gather the dog was a known vicious animal, therefore I would have thought the search warrant would have been executed with suitable back-up, with an armed officer present.
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Reply #3 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:01am

that pretty horrific how would the police know it was a mad pitbull???...

I guess they dont have laws in England about owing such a dangerous animal.

did they say how you stop an animal escaping once you have bashed the front door down????

it would help in future raids to know how to do that I am sure. Roll Eyes

maybe arm the cops just in case remember cops do not carry guns over there..

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Reply #4 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:37am

cods wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 8:01am:

that pretty horrific how would the police know it was a mad pitbull???...

I guess they dont have laws in England about owing such a dangerous animal.

did they say how you stop an animal escaping once you have bashed the front door down????

it would help in future raids to know how to do that I am sure. Roll Eyes

maybe arm the cops just in case remember cops do not carry guns over there..

They have had banned breed laws "over there" far longer than they have here, but not everybody complies with the law, just like here. These Officers were not specialist armed response or dog handlers, and I suspect that they were not made aware of the dangerous dog. Australian police are far from perfect, and also operate on occasion whilst not having proper situational awareness.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #5 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:13am I think they got it right. WHy should he be convicted of not controlling a dangerous dog? He had the dog under control, it was locked up. It was the cops who let it out. The dog attacked strangers on it's property. Thats what guard dogs do. To expect the dog to not defend itself or it's 'pack' is madness.
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Reply #6 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:25am

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:13am:

I think they got it right. WHy should he be convicted of not controlling a dangerous dog? He had the dog under control, it was locked up. It was the cops who let it out. The dog attacked strangers on it's property. Thats what guard dogs do. To expect the dog to not defend itself or it's 'pack' is madness.

Why am I not at all surprised that you would take that path señora. They had every right to go onto and enter "his property" to execute a legal search. The matter of his dog is without doubt a breach of the Dangerous Dogs' Act which stipulates that if a dog is deemed dangerous under the Act whether it's in your house or not the owner is still in breaking the law. Therefore the dog and it's owner should have suffered the consequences. The police erred in judgement; they should have had an armed response unit there and shot the smacking dog the moment it showed aggression!

Incidentally, this dog was being territorial not defending a pack, the owner wasn't present at the time. Also, I have no doubt that this dog was made aggressive by the scumbag who owned it. I do not blame the dog, I blame the piece of sh_t who owns it!

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Reply #7 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:34am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:25am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 9:13am:

I think they got it right. WHy should he be convicted of not controlling a dangerous dog? He had the dog under control, it was locked up. It was the cops who let it out. The dog attacked strangers on it's property. Thats what guard dogs do. To expect the dog to not defend itself or it's 'pack' is madness.

Why am I not at all surprised that you would take that path señora. They had every right to go onto and enter "his property" to execute a legal search. The matter of his dog is without doubt a breach of the Dangerous Dogs' Act which stipulates that if a dog is deemed dangerous under the Act whether it's in your house or not the owner is still in breaking the law. Therefore the dog and it's owner should have suffered the consequences. The police erred in judgement; they should have had an armed response unit there and shot the smacking dog the moment it showed aggression!

Incidentally, this dog was being territorial not defending a pack, the owner wasn't present at the time. Also, I have no doubt that this dog was made aggressive by the scumbag who owned it. I do not blame the dog, I blame the piece of sh_t who owns it!

Yes, they have a right to enter, but they have a responsibility to do so safely.

If they want to examine a vat of toxins in case someone has hidden something illegal in there, do they just dump the contents into the storm water drain?? No, they make sure the contents do not contaminate anything. Its the same with the dog. They have to make sure he does not get out and endanger innocent passers by.

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Reply #8 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:37am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 10:25am:

The matter of his dog is without doubt a breach of the Dangerous Dogs' Act

fine, then capture the dog and do what you will with it. ... you don't let it out. If a person is deemed a danger to society do cops just walk into jail and leave to doors open for prisoners to escape?

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Reply #9 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am

Your argument is nonsense. These are police officers doing a legal search not smacking dog catchers. What would your view of this be if this dangerous dog just happened to "get out" and savage a child? This dog savaged three police officers, watch the video (which was out a while ago). The owner was a known criminal.

The mistake they made was not sending an armed officer in the first place, or at least an experienced dog handler who would have had protective equipment in case the dog attacked.

The owner should have been jailed and the dog destroyed.....no smacking question!

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Reply #10 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:10am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

The mistake they made was not sending an armed officer in the first place, or at least an experienced dog handler who would have had protective equipment in case the dog attacked.

Police procedures are so touchy-feely under the UK's socialist government that not even a single taser was taken to 'pacify' this suspect if be became a little, er. 'proactive'.

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

The owner should have been jailed and the dog destroyed.....no smacking question!

The Taliban would have known how to deal with this situation.

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Reply #11 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:18am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:10am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

The mistake they made was not sending an armed officer in the first place, or at least an experienced dog handler who would have had protective equipment in case the dog attacked.

Police procedures are so touchy-feely under the UK's socialist government that not even a single taser was taken to 'pacify' this suspect if be became a little, er. 'proactive'.

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

The owner should have been jailed and the dog destroyed.....no smacking question!

The Taliban would have known how to deal with this situation.

Herbert, it's a Tory government nowadays, but you're not wrong with the touchy-feely attitude. It was bad planning by the Officer in change. But BS from people who have no knowledge of the situation is absolute nonsense.
They have absolutely no experience or knowledge of this type of operation. They would never be in a position of risk, never place themselves in danger, and obviously never think about the consequences of keeping a vicious animal like this. They talk through their wishy-washy arses, and typically never consider the three officers injured by this animal, or the very real possibility of a child or children coming into contact with this dog, or even consider the dire consequences which would undoubtably result.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 115166 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The savage dogs thread ... Reply #12 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 12:33pm The dog was just doing it's job - protecting the house from burglars. A dog can't tell the difference between a burglar & a cop.
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viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:18am:

Herbert, it's a Tory government nowadays,

Please! I'm sensitive to pain.

As a 'Tory' government it's even more leftwing than the Labour Party of the '50s.

These 'Tories' have long since sold their soul to political correctness, European courts deciding the outcome of British courts, the European Parliament that dictates to Britain how many and what migrants it should accept, etc etc.

There's absolutely nothing left in British politics that even remotely resembles the sort of Conservative government that Churchill presided over.

It all went pear-shaped when they turned on Welshman Enoch Powell for daring to suggest that Britain should be preserved for the British, and not become a migrant destination for people whose race and religion would turn the British homeland into a de facto colony for indissoluble aliens.

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Reply #14 - Dec 21^st, 2013 at 2:02pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

Your argument is nonsense. These are police officers doing a legal search not smacking dog catchers

police officers duties vary and include all sorts of duties, dealing with an aggressive dog is one of them. viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

What would your view of this be if this dangerous dog just happened to "get out" and savage a child?

shoot the dog and the owner

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

This dog savaged three police officers,

If your dumb enough to jump into the lions den, don't complain when the lion bites you. He savaged them because they let him out.

viewpoint wrote on Dec 21^st, 2013 at 11:00am:

The mistake they made was not sending an armed officer in the first place, or at least an experienced dog handler who would have had protective equipment in case the dog attacked

Hooray, finally he gets it. Welcome to the real world. Thats about what i said originally. They should have dealt with the dog, even if it meant shooting it, rather than let if out and then charge the owner because his dog got out.

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