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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Is this true Gandalf?

As I recall I quoted what was a very mainstream islamic view - which just happened to be written by an ahmadi. Something about no prescribed punishment for blasphemy I think. But perhaps Baron can quote me, I can't find it.

You've got to admit Gandalf, Islam is a pretty mucked up religion. You can't deny that. They are all stupid but Islam takes the cake.

Any worse than Mormanism or Seventh Day Adventism? Hinduism has rather interesting beliefs as does Christianity and Buddhism (although, strictly speaking Buddhism in it's original form isn't a religion but a philosophy). As you note, all religions can be "stupid". It's the problem with belief trumping rationalism. Roll Eyes

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

This Ahmadiyya stuff sounds a bit like what Gandalf has been preaching.

Gandalf has cited Ahmadi articles and tried to pass them off as mainstream.

Why are muslims silent on the persecution of the Ahmadis?

Is this true Gandalf?

As I recall I quoted what was a very mainstream islamic view - which just happened to be written by an ahmadi. Something about no prescribed punishment for blasphemy I think. But perhaps Baron can quote me, I can't find it.

You've got to admit Gandalf, Islam is a pretty mucked up religion. You can't deny that. They are all stupid but Islam takes the cake.

Any worse than Mormanism or Seventh Day Adventism? Hinduism has rather interesting beliefs as does Christianity and Buddhism (although, strictly speaking Buddhism in it's original form isn't a religion but a philosophy). As you note, all religions can be "stupid". It's the problem with belief trumping rationalism. Roll Eyes

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

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Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

So gandalf... I'm guessing you don't draw the line at this stuff so it will be ok for me to make such statements in future? oh and whatever happened about that rule on multiple emoticons? Roll Eyes
You gonna make rules then lets be fair in the observance of them then eh.

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #19 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 9:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

I don't see anyone criticising the spiritual aspects of Islam or (other than you) the spiritual aspects of other religions. The entire debate on this board seems to have gone right over your head.

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #20 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 9:08am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

I had no idea you'd founded a religion bwian... I thought you just led the Ross Bwaintwust cult.

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #21 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:12pm

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

I don't see anyone criticising the spiritual aspects of Islam or (other than you) the spiritual aspects of other religions. The entire debate on this board seems to have gone right over your head.

And that rather suggests what, FD? Perhaps your problem is, as I've always maintained the narrowness of your focus, exclusively on Muslims? You blind yourself to the diversity around you simply because you want to believe what Muslims do is unique. Down that road lies bigotry. Roll Eyes

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #22 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Perhaps your problem is, as I've always maintained the narrowness of your focus, exclusively on Muslims? You blind yourself to the diversity around you simply because you want to believe what Muslims do is unique. Down that road lies bigotry. Roll Eyes

LOL, says the bloke who refuses to criticise the actions of any foreign State, or any religions he is not a member of.

What lies down that road? Cool

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Reply #23 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

I think you suffer from mental illness.
What do you think?

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #25 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

I don't see anyone criticising the spiritual aspects of Islam or (other than you) the spiritual aspects of other religions. The entire debate on this board seems to have gone right over your head.

And that rather suggests what, FD? Perhaps your problem is, as I've always maintained the narrowness of your focus, exclusively on Muslims? You blind yourself to the diversity around you simply because you want to believe what Muslims do is unique. Down that road lies bigotry. Roll Eyes

It suggests that even after all this time, you still don't know what we are talking about, or are trying very hard to remain ignorant or ignore the subject. It's like you are part of a different conversation. Perhaps you are posting on the wrong website?

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Reply #26 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

I think you suffer from mental illness.
What do you think?

No, I have proof I don't, do you? Roll Eyes

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #27 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Mormons aren't blowing people up. Are they?

Funny, I thought you were talking about beliefs and how unusual they were, not how some adherents decided to follow them. Moving the goalposts? How unusual?

So you don't think the belief that Mormoms will be reincarnated as gods/goddesses in Heaven rather strange (and incompatible with the claim that Mormonism is a version of Christianity)? What about polygamy? Or that the Joseph Smith, founder of the religion was sent messages from "god", which no one else saw/heard/understood rather strange? Roll Eyes

Personally, I suspect most of the founders of religions may well have suffered from mental illness. What do you think?

I think you suffer from mental illness.
What do you think?

No, I have proof I don't, do you? Roll Eyes

I have proof you do.

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #28 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:37pm

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

I don't see anyone criticising the spiritual aspects of Islam or (other than you) the spiritual aspects of other religions. The entire debate on this board seems to have gone right over your head.

And that rather suggests what, FD? Perhaps your problem is, as I've always maintained the narrowness of your focus, exclusively on Muslims? You blind yourself to the diversity around you simply because you want to believe what Muslims do is unique. Down that road lies bigotry. Roll Eyes

It suggests that even after all this time, you still don't know what we are talking about, or are trying very hard to remain ignorant or ignore the subject. It's like you are part of a different conversation. Perhaps you are posting on the wrong website?

Justifying your bigotry? I suppose any excuse will do. I am aware that you have little direct experience with Muslims. Only some who has never engaged with them would spout the stuff you do, FD. Roll Eyes

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Re: This is what happens to 'moderate' Muslims.
Reply #29 - Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32pm:

No, I have proof I don't, do you? Roll Eyes

LOL, classic, you have proof you don't suffer mental illness? What would that consist of? Naaah seriously, I am keen to know your "proof".

I look forward to some hilarity at your expense cos whatever you present it is going to be funny.

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