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Re: Six aspects of denial
Reply #45 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 10:31am

# wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

lee wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:30pm:

And Cherry picking is definitely not choosing 79 of 3,146.

You picked that cherry and that interpretation. Over the years, there have been many surveys of scientific opinion on global warming.

You did note the Full Stop and not a question mark at the end of my text? I was merely making an observation. Are you paranoid?

Chimp Logic, It has been warming since the LIA. Historical data goes back to the 1850's, with and without anomaly adjustments.

Edit: BTW a new article by Trenberth and Fasullo (2013). They generally in their graphs use data to 2012. The NOOA mean temperatures anomalies graph (Fig 4) appears to use data up to 2008. Although the graph legend says 2009. but the graph doesn't extend to the 2009 timeline. Why not use the available data up to 2012? Just a question.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/pdf

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #46 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 11:24am Lee, you are wrong, and have been conned. I won't be posting on here much, as I've started with the "evil" LNG industry in a fairly pivotal role. Despite that, I won't suddenly forget basic atmospheric physics. At least methane has a lower carbon footprint than oil or coal. I'll drop in from time to time.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #47 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:37pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:58am: ... You mean like ALL the warns from the US National Weather service??? ... What do you think you see there?
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #48 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:40pm lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 10:31am: ... Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/pdf By way of which denialist blog? Clearly, you don't understand enough to come up with your skewed interpretations yourself.
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Reply #49 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

I don't buy AGW for epistemological reasons.

"The existence of disagreement between climate model predictions and observations doesn’t provide any insight in itself to why the disagreement exists, i.e. which aspect(s) of the model are inadequate, owing to the epistemic opacity of knowledge codified in complex models."
Judith Curry

The "epistemic opacity of knowledge codified in complex models" - beautifully put.

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Reply #50 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:00pm

Soren wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

I don't buy AGW for epistemological reasons.

"The existence of disagreement between climate model predictions and observations doesn’t provide any insight in itself to why the disagreement exists, i.e. which aspect(s) of the model are inadequate, owing to the epistemic opacity of knowledge codified in complex models."
Judith Curry

The "epistemic opacity of knowledge codified in complex models" - beautifully put.

do you use the same rationale to validate your deranged sense of selective racism and bigotry?

....or do you always smell this way?

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #51 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:11pm # wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:37pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:58am: ... You mean like ALL the warns from the US National Weather service??? ... What do you think you see there? Last 30 Days Nov 17 - Dec 16, 2013 446 618 2,699 840 1,805 1,168 2699 low temperature records matched or set for that period.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #52 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:22pm Cc denial is snobbery!
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Re: Six aspects of denial
Reply #53 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

# wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

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Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/pdf

By way of which denialist blog? Clearly, you don't understand enough to come up with your skewed interpretations yourself.

Once again shooting the messenger. Cheesy

Muso - The 'evil ' oil? Surely you jest?

Look at who helped fund the AGU Fall meeting.

ExxonMobil, BP, Chevron, Schlumberger.

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2013/general-information/thank-you-to-our-sponsors/

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #54 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm Talking to man made climate change kooks is like trying to convince a jehovas witness that they need a blood transfusion
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #55 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 2:08pm Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm: Talking to man made climate change kooks is like trying to convince a jehovas witness that they need a blood transfusion Snobs hate their children!
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #56 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 5:54pm Soren wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:58pm: The "epistemic opacity of knowledge codified in complex models" - beautifully put. Paraphrased - "I don't understand it, so it must be wrong." Judith likes to play at being a denialist because she meets so many interesting people.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #57 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:04pm anti-intellectual snobs are marching us toward WORLD WAR 3!!
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #58 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:53pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:04pm: anti-intellectual snobs are marching us toward WORLD WAR 3!! I thought that the Rothschilds were behind all wars They certainly bank roll both sides Lots of money to be made
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #59 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 8:05pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 1:11pm: ... 2699 low temperature records matched or set for that period. So: extreme weather?
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