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Six aspects of denial
Dec 15th, 2013 at 7:26pm
 
From Watching the Deniers
  1. Doubt the science – This is the standard tactic of all denial movements. Creationists attack evolution and geology as they contradict the belief a god/s created the world just under 10,000 years ago. Alternative health practitioners claim the science that demonstrates the lack of effectiveness of their treatments is at fault. On web sites, in books and on internet forums deniers attack the science by cherry picking data, misrepresenting research or making bogus claims.
  2. Question the motives and integrity of scientists – This is the favourite tactic of the climate change denial movement. They claim the scientists are engaged in fraud, or are being pressured by governments to make up the results. They make up vast conspiracy theories in order to cast aspersions on the motives of climate scientists, physicists and biologists whose work confirms the reality of climate change. They use the “follow the money” argument, stating scientists are making up climate change in order to get research funding. All of these are simply ad hominem attacks: playing the man.
  3. Magnify disagreements among scientists and cite gadflies – Again, one of the favourite tactics of the denial movement. The tiny percentage of actual scientists who express scepticism (Plimer, Lindzen) are dwarfed by the thousands of scientists who agree with the consensus that climate change is happening. But the denial movement exploits the media’s tendency to present “both sides” of the argument and thus help perpetrate the myth scientists are still debating climate change when in fact there is near unanimous agreement.
  4. Exaggerate potential harm – This normally takes the form of “harming” the economy if the government intervenes. This is why opposition to cap-and-trade (or emissions trading schemes) are anathema to some parts of the denial movement. They also claim a climate change is an excuse to usher in a “world government”. The denial movement plays up to these fears, playing on the anxiety that they will lose their freedoms (see below).
  5. Appeal to personal freedom – One of the great fears of the denial movements is a loss of freedom. Whether economic or political, they have a paranoid fear that someone (government, scientists, greens, politicians) are going to restrict their right to unlimited consumption or their freedom of speech. But reality is not a democracy. We don’t get to choose the truth about climate change, just as a popular debate about evolution does not decide the scientific facts. The denial movement loves to frame this as a “debate” when none exists, claiming they have a right to doubt the science. Of course they do. But it does not mean they are correct.
  6. Acceptance repudiates key philosophy – For libertarians and free market advocates, climate change is a direct challenge to their assumption of unlimited growth. Any response to climate change will involve government intervention and global governance structures (such as a binding treaty to limit CO2 emissions). To such ideologues, it is axiomatic that such responses are “bad”. And yet the “market” can’t fix climate. Caught between accepting the science and what it entails and rejecting it in favour of their faith in the market, they reject the science. The same could be said of religious conservatives: like evolution, climate change is a direct challenge to the idea that a god/s has a governance role and is directly responsible for managing the day-to-day affairs of the world. That a god/s would let climate change happen and not intervene is deeply challenging to the idea that
    a) they would allow such “evil” and
    b) the god/s is omnipotent.

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Re: Six aspects of denial
Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
You do know that both sides do pretty much what you've listed here, don't you?


In fact, you yourself are guilty of using the 'six aspects' on these boards.
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Reply #2 - Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:41pm
 
Black is actually white!
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Reply #3 - Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:55pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
Black is actually white!


Nope, black is black and white is white..
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2013 at 10:08pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:55pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
Black is actually white!


Nope, black is black and white is white..

Oh you're onto it ay buddy  Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Dec 15th, 2013 at 10:10pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 10:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:55pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
Black is actually white!


Nope, black is black and white is white..

Oh you're onto it ay buddy  Roll Eyes


Yep, much closer to being 'onto it' than you seem to be.
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Reply #6 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:49am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 10:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:55pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
Black is actually white!


Nope, black is black and white is white..

Oh you're onto it ay buddy  Roll Eyes


Yep, much closer to being 'onto it' than you seem to be.

Why, cos i didn't vote for copper internet in the asian century that will make my kids cry forever and ever!????????

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Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Seeing as Scientists in general are a microcosm of the human race; I would expect frauds and charlatans within their ranks and probably in similar proportion.

To believe that scientists are above the common herd in regards to the above is disingenuous.
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Reply #8 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:01pm
 
You see the big problem we have with global warming is that there is no global warming, you at least need that key ingredient if you are going to claim that the world is warming.  Grin



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Damning isn't it?  Grin
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Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
... you yourself are guilty of using the 'six aspects' on these boards.
I don't doubt that, in your imagination, that's so.

You can't substantiate your assertion though, can you?
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Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:24pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 10:27am:
Seeing as Scientists in general are a microcosm of the human race; I would expect frauds and charlatans within their ranks and probably in similar proportion.

To believe that scientists are above the common herd in regards to the above is disingenuous.
All of which seems like very good reasons to go with the majority. What makes you think that the minority will hold a lesser proportion of "frauds and charlatans"?

In general, the rigours of the scientific establishment do tend to weed out the most extreme abuses. If you want to say that puts them "above the common herd", then I wouldn't disagree with you. I tend to think that of any highly skilled group.
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Reply #11 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:27pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
You see the big problem we have with global warming is that there is no global warming, ...
The vast majority of the best qualified disagree with you, it seems.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
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Damning isn't it?
I'm no better qualified to judge than you or Anthony Watts.
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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:38pm
 
# wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:18pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
... you yourself are guilty of using the 'six aspects' on these boards.
I don't doubt that, in your imagination, that's so.

You can't substantiate your assertion though, can you?


Actually, I can..

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Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist
Aspect 1 Doubt the Science

, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. .  Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.
Aspect 2 Question the motives and integrity of scientists



How is any of this different to the 'Six Aspects'??

You attack the science, which is amusing, since Watts' uses 'official' pro-AGW sites, like NOAA National Weather Service and HamWeather records center. and then you use the 'paid by Heartland so he must be corrupt' excuse, which again, can also be used against ANY researcher...since the scientists working for any of the pro-agw groups, IPCC, HADCRUT, CSIRO etc are NOT working for free, they are being paid and the non-government, university based researchers are funded by grants..( again, paid to produce the results).
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:48pm
 
# wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:27pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 12:01pm:
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Damning isn't it?
I'm no better qualified to judge than you or Anthony Watts.



Can't you even read a graph?  Grin
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Reply #14 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 1:48pm
 
Doram, Zimmerman questionaire-

This was the full set of questions that Zimmerman asked in their survey:

    Q1. When compared with pre-1800's levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
    1. Risen
    2. Fallen
    3. Remained relatively constant
    4. No opinion/Don't know
'76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.” '
    
    Q2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?  [This question wasn't asked if they answered "remained relatively constant" to Q1]
    1. Yes
    2. No
    3. I'm not sure
'75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.” '

Q3. What do you consider to be the most compelling argument that supports your previous answer (or, for those who were unsure, why were they unsure)? [This question wasn't asked if they answered "remained relatively constant" to Q1]

Q4. Please estimate the percentage of your fellow geoscientists who think human activity is a contributing factor to global climate change.

Q5. Which percentage of your papers published in peer-reviewed journals in the last 5 years have been on the subject of climate change?

Q6. Age

Q7. Gender

Q8. What is the highest level of education you have attained?

Q9. Which category best describes your area of expertise?
   
Not even a mention of CO2 either.
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