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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #31 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 7:46am You're in the wrong thread again Biff.
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Reply #32 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:14am

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

77 out of 3164 scientists reckon that man made global warming is real, ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

Over the years, there have been many surveys of scientific opinion on global warming. We've been down the rabbit hole with the papers published this year. I don't see any point in repeating the exercise. The outcome is unlikely to change.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #33 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:16am gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm: ... The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted' Selection doesn't involve interpretation?
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Reply #34 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:51am

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted'

Selection doesn't involve interpretation?

Not when he has just reposted the finds in total from another site. At least, not on Watts' part.

Here is the map he used, from the original site.
http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/records/7day/us.html?c=maxtemp,mintemp,low...

Put your mouse pointer over the coloured dots, and it shows the current condition (as a December 9th) and the date of the previous record, for high temp, low temp snowfall and rainfall. As you can see, Watts' was reporting the evidence, not inventing it or interpreting it.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #35 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted'

Selection doesn't involve interpretation?

Not when he has just reposted the finds in total ...

Has he though?

Are you familiar with the term cherry picking? How does the picker know which cherry to pick, without first interpreting the available cherries?

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Reply #36 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:59pm

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted'

Selection doesn't involve interpretation?

Not when he has just reposted the finds in total ...

Has he though?

Are you familiar with the term cherry picking? How does the picker know which cherry to pick, without first interpreting the available cherries?

LOL yes he actually has...
You can complain all you like, but the info used is from a weather site, which means, that it's from the US National Weather service info..
He has used 'approved' temperature readings.

Oh and if you are going to quote my posts, quote ALL of my posts, rather than cherry picking.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #37 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted'

Selection doesn't involve interpretation?

Not when he has just reposted the finds in total ...

Has he though?

Are you familiar with the term cherry picking? How does the picker know which cherry to pick, without first interpreting the available cherries?

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You can complain all you like, ...

Not complaining; just experienced and cynical. With a disreputable source like Watts, my default is to ignore. If there's anything of interest, a reputable source will comment.
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

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Oh and if you are going to quote my posts, quote ALL of my posts, ...

I'll quote as much as necessary. No more and no less.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21609 Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #38 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:30pm And Cherry picking is definitely not choosing 79 of 3,146.
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Reply #39 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

# wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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The temperatures listed are not 'interpreted'

Selection doesn't involve interpretation?

Not when he has just reposted the finds in total ...

Has he though?

Are you familiar with the term cherry picking? How does the picker know which cherry to pick, without first interpreting the available cherries?

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You can complain all you like,but the info used is from a weather site, which means, that it's from the US National Weather service info..
He has used 'approved' temperature readings. ...

Not complaining; just experienced and cynical. With a disreputable source like Watts, my default is to ignore. If there's anything of interest, a reputable source will comment.
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

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Oh and if you are going to quote my posts, quote ALL of my posts, ...

I'll quote as much as necessary. No more and no less.

You might consider Watts to be the Great Satan in the Church of Climatology, but the source was in fact the US National Weather Service, so it you are displeased with the temperature reading, take it up with them.

I thought current climate change theory allowed for low temperatures as well as high temperatures. You're not a fundamentalist global 'warming only' proponent are you??.....tsk tsk, Gaia won't be pleased...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #40 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 2:45am gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:02pm: I thought current climate change theory allowed for low temperatures as well as high temperatures. Yep, it pretty well covers any eventuality, they all have very sore arms from shifting the goal posts all over the friggin field
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #41 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 3:46am Crack Pot AGW denialist priests see what they want to see
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #42 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:42am lee wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 6:30pm: And Cherry picking is definitely not choosing 79 of 3,146. You picked that cherry and that interpretation. Over the years, there have been many surveys of scientific opinion on global warming.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Six aspects of denial Reply #43 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:44am gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:02pm: ... You might consider Watts to be the Great Satan in the Church of Climatology, ... No, just disreputable. As I said: If there's anything of interest, a reputable source will comment.
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Reply #44 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:58am

# wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

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You might consider Watts to be the Great Satan in the Church of Climatology, ...

No, just disreputable. As I said: If there's anything of interest, a reputable source will comment.

You mean like ALL the warns from the US National Weather service???

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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