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Reply #76 - Dec 17th, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
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Reply #77 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2013 at 1:33pm:
What it demonstrates is that it requires extreme self delusion to conclude that the lower conviction rates reflect a lower crime rate.

It is not up to me to conclusively prove that you assumptions are absurd. If you want to try to back up your claim, or Ian's for that matter, go ahead, but there is no point backing it up with an obviously illogical and flawed argument then demanding that others "prove" the existence of the flaws.


You just claimed something that muslims do without a shred of supporting evidence. And you expect this to be some sort of proof about the crime statistics. So you tell me who is making "illogical and flawed arguments".  Tongue
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #78 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:19pm
 
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That was Ian. I pointed out that the conviction rates are lower, not the crime rates.

Do you need me to prove that Muslims punish rape victims?
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Reply #79 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:19pm:
Do you need me to prove that Muslims punish rape victims?


Oh it happens, but to claim it happens to such an extent to have the impact on the crime statistics you claim it does, without any supporting evidence, is obviously absurd.

I suspect the best you can do is provide a couple of anecdotes from Pakistan and boldly claim "this is normal".
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #80 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:52pm
 
Islam builds a culture out of subjugating women. Rape convictions are not easy, even in a society that puts great effort into catching the perpetrators and making women feel like they can come forward and report it. You don't have to put many rape victims in jail in order to stop all of them coming forward.
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Reply #81 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:56pm
 
Like I said, completely baseless. Keep digging that hole FD.

Nothing you say disproves an alternative theory - that there simply isn't as many rapes in the muslim world, and thats why there are less convictions.
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Reply #82 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:59pm
 
I am not trying to disprove it. You have no actual evidence for it, only assumptions. You need some serious rose tinted glasses to interpret it the way you do. It is not up to me to disprove every idiotic theory posted on the internet.

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said: “One who keeps the faults of a Muslim secret in this world, Allah will keep his faults in the Hereafter
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Reply #83 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 7:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
I am not trying to disprove it.


Yep, much easier to accept your own viewpoint isn't it, afterall, it reinforces your one-eyed view of Muslims rather nicely doesn't it, despite there being as Gandalf points out, alternative explanations which make more sense! 
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Reply #84 - Dec 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
I am not trying to disprove it. You have no actual evidence for it, only assumptions.


No. This is an assumption FD:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
Crime rates are not lower. Conviction rates are lower.


In the absense of any evidence to the contrary (which you have so far failed to provide), then crime convictions must equal crime rates.

What you are doing here, if it needs to be spelled out, is assuming that crime in a particular part of the world is not consistent with official figures - with absolutely no good justification.


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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #85 - Dec 30th, 2013 at 10:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 11:07pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 8:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 5:57pm:
HERE WERE NO UNIVERSITY RULES FORBIDDING segregation.  THERE ARE NO LAWS making segregation illegal.



There are no laws making sh!tting in the park illegal.


I think you'll find that the laws covering public indecency and defecation in public would make sure it's illegal, Soren.

I suggest you never attempt to defend yourself in court.  Your ignorance of the law is severe.   Roll Eyes



Very sneakily you neglected to engage with the substance of what I said:

This is the problem with giving freedom to people who do not want to fit in- they will demand a rule. But the point of social cohesion and solidarity is that people live together in a settled, common understanding of what makes their society a society, and their own.

With aliens like Muslims, Hindus, Gypsies and others, the fundamental idea of a shared, unstated, common ground goes out the window.

SO you now need chapter and verse of the law to back up your expectation that the sexes should not be segregated in public places or that sh!tting in the park is not an affirmation of a free society.





I am not the least surprised that you pretended to not notice the main points. You could make your inane little post only by such pretence.
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Reply #86 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 2:32am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:52pm:
Islam builds a culture out of subjugating women. Rape convictions are not easy, .........

Particularly not when 4 witnesses are required for a woman to bring an allegation of rape:
youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0

As the Norwegian tourist in Dubai learned when she went to the police with an allegation of rape, but instead of arresting the perpetrator, they imprisoned the victim for fornication instead.
google.com/#q=norwegian+woman+sentenced+to+prison+in+dubai

Perhaps as prophesied, and of the 53-year old that was doing a 9-year old:

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Tabari I:280 Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of the world menstruate and are stupid.

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),    

So when they don't desire chastity, prostitute them out and make a gain. Perhaps when they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while.
But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving!
Pretty convenient god for an band of cutthroat, imperialistic conquering, female prisoner violating, murderous, thieves.

beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm

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Sura (4:34) - Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

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freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 6:52pm:
......... even in a society that puts great effort into catching the perpetrators and making women feel like they can come forward and report it. You don't have to put many rape victims in jail in order to stop all of them coming forward.
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Reply #87 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 1:10pm
 
It's absolutely amazing to read some of the contortions on this thread. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can deduce that if a woman is jailed for being raped, she would be very unlikely to report same.

It's also not a stretch, given the trenchant sexism of Islam, to realise in such Islamic societies where women are seen as lesser beings, they are more likely to be sexually assaulted. Rapists don't tend to think much of women.

I picked up a copy of The Australian yesterday. Muslims causing havoc in Syria. Muslims causing havoc in southern Russia. A Muslim whinging about being denied an Australian passport by ASIO because of his unsavoury views. Then there was an article on alcohol induced violence that has resulted in the deaths of three men over the Christmas period. They've caught the assailants in each case...two of them, Middle Eastern names, the other African.

Then, the paper reports that a new program starts in the Victorian police today, as some of their members racially profile and that's a no-no.

Like what?

Not enough journalists are making the connect.
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Reply #88 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:53pm
 
Nicole Page wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 1:10pm:
Then there was an article on alcohol induced violence that has resulted in the deaths of three men over the Christmas period. They've caught the assailants in each case...two of them, Middle Eastern names, the other African.


Good grief, you realise hospitals around Australia are literally inundated with alcohol induced assault cases every single Saturday night? And you pick on the one story that has "middle eastern names?? Could it possibly be that a person that is partaking in behaviour that is expressly forbidden by islam is maybe not a muslim?

And you whinge about those who clamp down on racial profiling.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:07pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:53pm:
   Could it possibly be that a person that is partaking in behaviour that is expressly forbidden by islam is maybe not a muslim?

And you whinge about those who clamp down on racial profiling.  Roll Eyes


If someone says they are a Muslim I am happy to accept them at their word, no matter if what they do is not considered by you to be a proper Muslim. 

To say that those who blow themselves up in service of  Islam whilst yelling al Akbar are somehow not real Muslims is a ridiculous concept.

As for racial profiling, I am glad you appear to agree that is a useful tool.
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