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Reply #45 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:22pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

I'm not creating a strawman.

Yes you are. What you accuse me of doing is not even close to what I am saying.

Again, no one is disputing Ian's claim that the available evidence does not indicate sexual abuse crime rates are higher in muslim countries. Of course you make the point that thats because crimes are not reported or they are not actual crimes. But you are wrong to say Ian is wrong about his point.

Where did I say he is wrong? I just find a comment like that absurd when many Muslims treat their women like animals. It's a well known fact.

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Narrated Aisha- Mo's child bride,his favourite wife
The things that annul the prayers were mentioned before me.They said a prayer is annulled by a dog,a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of praying people).
I said you have made us (women) dogs
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/158

When you jail rape victims that could discourage women from reporting rape, as Sheik Hilaly said if a woman is in her home and wearing a hijab these disasters dont happen.

https://www.google.com.au/#q=rape+victim+jailed+uae

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Reply #47 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

many Muslims treat their women like animals. It's a well known fact.

As do many non-muslims.

Do you have any evidence that sexual abuse rates are higher amongst muslims than non-muslims?

No I don't. You don't know and I don't know. Any religion that puts one sex below another isn't going to have a good record though. What do you think? I suspect you are a Muslim so how about some insight. I'd love to learn.

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Reply #48 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:45pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Any religion that puts one sex below another isn't going to have a good record though. What do you think? I suspect you are a Muslim so how about some insight. I'd love to learn.

Well I could try and tell you the truth - that islam does not "put women below" men, but it seems your mind is already made up. I would also probably be accused of being misinformed or being deliberately deceptive by the usual suspects.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #49 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:18pm

Islam is a poster child for equity. Wink

And before the usual idiots attempt to distract the same can be said for fundy Christians.

Nobbers the lot of them, but why the left bend over backwards to support and apologise for queer hating women segregating Muslims is beyond me, the best I can put it down to is the perverse behaviour of the lefties to support anything that is against anything they perceive as being of the "west".

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Reply #50 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:42pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Perhaps you should take note of what I'm actually questioning Sparky.

In case you're new to this whole debating thing, what you are doing is constructing a strawman.

I'm not creating a strawman. Islam has an absolute disgraceful reputation when it comes to human right-especially female. I hate reading responses sticking up for this barbaric religion.

It's not rocket science, is it?

The only reason Lawrence of Arabia liked the Muslims was because he was a roaring homosexual who liked to take it up the arse.

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Reply #51 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Perhaps you should take note of what I'm actually questioning Sparky.

In case you're new to this whole debating thing, what you are doing is constructing a strawman.

I'm not creating a strawman. Islam has an absolute disgraceful reputation when it comes to human right-especially female. I hate reading responses sticking up for this barbaric religion.

It's not rocket science, is it?

The only reason Lawrence of Arabia liked the Muslims was because he was a roaring homosexual who liked to take it up the arse.

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Reply #52 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:56am:

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You've shot yourself in the foot again. Another own-goal.

The reported incidence of sexual abuse in Muslim countries is as low as it is for two very obvious reasons.

Go on, gandalf, tell him.

Too busy?

Okay ...

1. In order to avoid stirring up the lustful passions of Muslim males, the womenfolk 'hide their beauty' with all sorts of drapery and concealing apparel.

2. It is fraught with self-defeating hazard for a female in a Muslim society to accuse a Muslim male of having sexually abused her.

Perhaps, but you cannot state that incidences of sexual abuse are higher when you have zero evidence they are. You understand what factual information is dont you?

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Reply #53 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

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The evidence does not suppport this, in fact rates of crime involivng sexual abuse are far lower in Muslim societies than they are in Western ones.

Wrong Ian. Rates of conviction are lower. Abu tried to pull this crap all the time. What else do you expect in countries that blame women for not wearing tents in public, that routinely jail rape victims, and allow old men to legally marry little girls in arranged marriages.

If I am wrong then post the evidence. Simples. Yours and Herberts problem is that you bopth are unable to distinguish betwenn culture and religion, the majortiy of the worlds Muslims do noit live in the middle east and have a different culture than middle eastern Muslims. Until you understand this you are going to lose the argument every time.

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Reply #54 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:22pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

No I don't. You don't know and I don't know. Any religion that puts one sex below another isn't going to have a good record though. What do you think? I suspect you are a Muslim so how about some insight. I'd love to learn.

All three monotheistic religions place womens value below mens. Ever read the old testament?

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Reply #55 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Any religion that puts one sex below another isn't going to have a good record though. What do you think? I suspect you are a Muslim so how about some insight. I'd love to learn.

Well I could try and tell you the truth - that islam does not "put women below" men, but it seems your mind is already made up. I would also probably be accused of being misinformed or being deliberately deceptive by the usual suspects.

What do you expect me to believe when Muslim women can't get educated, drive, get divorced, go out alone, can't show their hair or face, get an inheritance , marry outside their religion etc etc etc.

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Reply #56 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

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How exactly is he "wrong"? He says the evidence does not support the view that sexual abuse rates are higher in muslim countries.

No he doesn't Gandalf. I even quoted what he said for you: in fact rates of crime involivng sexual abuse are far lower in Muslim societies

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Well I could try and tell you the truth - that islam does not "put women below" men

That is a lie.

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but it seems your mind is already made up

You are welcome to try to change our minds Gandalf. I'll even start a new thread if you'd like. In fact we may have some old threads we could raise from the dead. I know how you dislike starting new threads on the same topic.

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I would also probably be accused of being misinformed or being deliberately deceptive by the usual suspects.

Well you did once try to convince me that Muhammed did not have sex with his sex slaves. I was happy to accept that you were misinformed by other Muslims who were themselves being deliberately deceptive.

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If I am wrong then post the evidence. Simples. Yours and Herberts problem is that you bopth are unable to distinguish betwenn culture and religion

It is straight from the Koran Ian. This is not culture being projected onto religion. It is religion dictating culture, law, wiping your arse and every aspect of human existence.

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the majortiy of the worlds Muslims do noit live in the middle east and have a different culture than middle eastern Muslims.

Yet they are all Muslims and all do their best to turn their country into a mirror image of those middle eastern shitholes.

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Do you have any evidence that sexual abuse rates are higher amongst muslims than non-muslims?

Of course not. Muslims do everything they can to hide the evidence, including forcing the women to wear tents. Some even go so far as to insist that women where the letterbox outfit, whereas more progressive Muslims suggest you should refrain from beating them around the face.

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Reply #57 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

No he doesn't Gandalf. I even quoted what he said for you: in fact rates of crime involivng sexual abuse are far lower in Muslim societies

Fine, so how is that wrong?

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

It is straight from the Koran Ian.

we're not talking about the Koran, we're talking about the evidence (or lack thereof) of muslim crime rates:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

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The evidence does not suppport this, in fact rates of crime involivng sexual abuse are far lower in Muslim societies than they are in Western ones.

Wrong Ian. Rates of conviction are lower. Abu tried to pull this crap all the time. What else do you expect in countries that blame women for not wearing tents in public, that routinely jail rape victims, and allow old men to legally marry little girls in arranged marriages.

Again, how is this wrong?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ... Reply #58 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:19pm I'm not talking about rape on the street. I'm talking about rape in the home Gandalf. How well do Muslim women go when they don't want sex and their husband does? Is it easy for them to get a divorce and get out of abusive relationships?
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Reply #59 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

I'm not talking about rape on the street. I'm talking about rape in the home Gandalf. How well do Muslim women go when they don't want sex and their husband does?

To answer that sensibly we need statistics, and we all agree the statistics aren't there. So how on earth am I supposed to give you a proper answer? The best you can do is make a guess based not on the demonstrated behaviour of actual people, but on a simplistic understanding of what the quran commands - and then (baselessly) assume that all or most muslims act like that in real life. I'm not saying that you do that, but freediver and Yadda have been flogging this dead horse for years.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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