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Reply #30 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric.

Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries.

You didn't answer the question peccahead, can you comprehend what was asked?

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Reply #31 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric.

Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries.

You didn't answer the question ...

My answer is 'no'.

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Reply #33 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy.

Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece.

The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though.

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Reply #34 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

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What western countries have the death penalty for atheists, would that be a violation of article 18 of The Universal Declaration of human rights?

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Reply #35 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

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I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0. I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page.

When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash.

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Reply #36 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:14pm

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0. I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page.

When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash.

Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way

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The IHEU, which has member bodies in some 50 countries and supporters in many more where such organizations are banned, said there was systematic or severe discrimination against atheists across the 27-nation European Union.

The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers.

In these and all other EU countries, with the exception of the Netherlands and Belgium which the report classed as "free and equal," there was systemic discrimination across society favoring religions and religious believers.

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Reply #37 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

What western countries have the death penalty for atheists ...

None, as far as I know.

Who said that there were western countries with the death penalty for atheists?

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Reply #38 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

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Reply #39 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0. I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page.

When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash.

Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way

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The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers.

How many Islamic countries have the death penalty for blasphemy?

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Reply #40 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Now now gweg. I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction. You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices.

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Reply #41 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Your link says New Zealand has blasphemy laws.

Do you have to go back to 1922 which is nearly 100 years ago to find the last blasphemy prosecution in NZ?

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Reply #42 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:30pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Your link says New Zealand has blasphemy laws.

Do you have to go back to 1922 which is nearly 100 years ago to find the last blasphemy prosecution in NZ?

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

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Reply #43 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Now now gweg. I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction. You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

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Reply #44 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:38pm

People are still gaoled in France and Germany - and even Australia - for expressing an opinion about WWII.

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“For those who are concerned about Holocaust denial, I can’t see how Holocaust denial fails to be racial vilification,” the Attorney-General told ABC Radio.

GEORGE Brandis insists Holocaust denial will be unlawful under his proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act

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