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Reply #165 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:25pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

presumption of innocence

Yep.

"The men have been charged ... and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday.

"Police will allege ...

"At this point we will allege ... "

They'll get their day in court, just like everybody else.

Time for a lesson in English. Let's play, finish the sentence.

At this point we will allege ...

... that they talked to each other at a pub.

"At this point we will allege there are a number of declared criminal motorcycle gang members who have associated together knowingly in a public place and committed an offence in regard to the legislation."

And they'll have their day in court, just like everybody else.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53534 At my desk.	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #166 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:27pm A day in court does not help you if the laws are unjust Pecca. Do you understand that it is the bikie laws that people are complaining about here?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156800 Gender:	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #167 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:29pm freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:27pm: A day in court does not help you if the laws are unjust Pecca. Criminals have been saying that laws are "unjust" since forever. What do you expect them to say?
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Reply #168 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:44pm

Innocents going about their normal business and then being labeled 'criminals' (Created Criminals) through the abuse of law (not Law - it is plain that the 'bikie' laws do not adhere to Law) have been complaining about the slow pace of revolutions and of government thugs going to the wall for eons too...

"Gregarry - you are charged with consorting with three other Peccaries in contravention of the anti-peccary law of 1647 - as never amended - and are further charge with having illegal social intercourse with peccaries.....
how do you plead?"

Grin

"Oh - and you are further charged with the practice of philately with said peccaries".....

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Reply #169 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 9:12pm

What it comes down to is this - Is it justified to make certain organisations illegal given a big enough problem?

For example in the USA, the Mafia is an illegal organisation.
In Northern Ireland, the Provisional IRA was (and probably still is) an illegal organisation.

At what stage is it justified?

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Reply #170 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 7:26am

The judge has the last say.

The courts will decide!

See what happens when you get the courts offside Nazi Newman....it backfires on YOU lol!!!!!

Thank goodness for common sense.

Prison too tough for bikies, says Supreme Court Judge Justice Peter Applegarth

A SUPREME Court Judge has labelled new jail measures for bikies "extremely harsh" and slashed time behind bars for three men to compensate.

In three separate contempt judgments, he ruled the men would normally be jailed for five to six months - but gave them four to six weeks instead.

Even the bikies' own lawyers initially did not dispute prosecution submissions that sentences of five to six months in jail were appropriate for the three men.

However Justice Applegarth ordered the parties to return with new submissions which took into account the Government's bikie policies.
"The harms of solitary confinement are evidenced in a large body of literature, including research dating back to the nineteenth century,'' Justice Applegarth found.

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/prison-too-tough-for-bikies-says-supr...

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156800 Gender:	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #171 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:28am Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:44pm: Innocents going about their normal business ..... Bikies are not "innocents": they are self-proclaimed criminals. Their "normal business" is organised crime. Get 'em off the streets.
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Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting
Reply #172 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:39am

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

What it comes down to is this - Is it justified to make certain organisations illegal given a big enough problem?

For example in the USA, the Mafia is an illegal organisation.
In Northern Ireland, the Provisional IRA was (and probably still is) an illegal organisation.

At what stage is it justified?

an awful lot of terrorist groups are banned

why mostly because of secrecy...displaying anti social behavior.. thumbing their nose at law and order..

the mafia.. after all were gangsters [ not terrorist] som e of these bikie gangs are just that gangsters..

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156800 Gender:	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #173 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:48am cods wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:39am: the mafia.. after all were are gangsters [ not terrorist] some of and these bikie gangs are just that - gangsters.. Exactly. The mafia and the bikies are in the same business: organised crime. There's no difference. Get 'em off the streets.
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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #174 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:54am so there is 2 or 3 on here that don't care that citizens have and will in the future be caught up in this. just because 3 motorcylists meet together doesn't mean its for criminal intent.
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Reply #175 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:03am

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

so there is 2 or 3 on here that don't care that citizens have and will in the future be caught up in this.
just because 3 motorcylists meet together doesn't mean its for criminal intent.

Bikies aren't just "motorcyclists": they're self-proclaimed criminals involved in organised crime.

Most people understand the difference between bikies and bikers.

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Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting
Reply #176 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

so there is 2 or 3 on here that don't care that citizens have and will in the future be caught up in this.
just because 3 motorcylists meet together doesn't mean its for criminal intent.

Bikies aren't just "motorcyclists": they're self-proclaimed criminals involved in organised crime.

Most people understand the difference between bikies and bikers.

Well the facts are that the three bikies, at the sunshine coast weren't members of a outlaw mc club.

just like the bike rider next door isn't a member of a outlaw mc club.

ivory towers greg

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Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting
Reply #177 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:17am

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

so there is 2 or 3 on here that don't care that citizens have and will in the future be caught up in this.
just because 3 motorcylists meet together doesn't mean its for criminal intent.

Bikies aren't just "motorcyclists": they're self-proclaimed criminals involved in organised crime.

Most people understand the difference between bikies and bikers.

Well the facts are that the three bikies, at the sunshine coast weren't members of a outlaw mc club.

Says who?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156800 Gender:	Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting Reply #178 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:19am warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:15am: just like the bike rider next door isn't a member of a outlaw mc club. Well then, he/she has nothing to worry about.
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Re: Four Rebels bikies arrested after hotel meeting
Reply #179 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:36am

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

warrigal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

so there is 2 or 3 on here that don't care that citizens have and will in the future be caught up in this.
just because 3 motorcylists meet together doesn't mean its for criminal intent.

Bikies aren't just "motorcyclists": they're self-proclaimed criminals involved in organised crime.

Most people understand the difference between bikies and bikers.

Well the facts are that the three bikies, at the sunshine coast weren't members of a outlaw mc club.

Link?

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