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Reply #60 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:19pm
 
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Reply #61 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:21pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:20am:
The question I have, is why labor did not reveal how poorly the carbon tax had been performing.





9pc drop in emissions from power generators


Mon 11 Feb 2013


There has been a 9 per cent drop in emissions from electricity generators during the first six months of carbon pricing, a Senate committee has been told.

Last July the Federal Government introduced a carbon price of $23 per tonne for businesses that are big polluters.

Jenny Wilkinson from the Department of Climate Change and Renewable Energy says that since then, there has been a reduction in demand for energy.

She says the early results are due to several factors.

"Increased uptake of renewables on account of the Renewable Energy Target, changes in manufacturing; there's a range of different things which are contributing to this," she said.

"The latest data from the Australian Energy Market operator suggests that emissions from electricity generation have fallen by about 8.6 per cent in the first six months of the year."

The cost businesses now have to pay are set to increase between now and 2015 when there will be a shift towards a trading scheme that will allow the market to set the charges.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-11/carbon-tax-emissions-drop/4512782


THE carbon tax has helped drive a sharp fall in the carbon emissions of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, mothballed or sell less into the electricity market.
•Demand drop shocks power industry

As Victoria's Yallourn brown coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling electricity demand, more renewables like wind farms and solar and the carbon price were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.

Electricity sold into the east coast market in the three months since the tax started created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.

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"It is signifigant that the emissions intensity of the electricity generation system has fallen in the first quarter of the carbon price" ... Greg Combet. Photo: Andrew Meares

Compared with the same three months last year, the decline in emissions is around 6.3 per cent


http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/carbon-tax-contributes-to-emissions-drop-201210...


It has been a warm, wet and now windy August across south-eastern Australia as a series of strong cold fronts provided record-breaking statistics for the generation of wind power.

Clean Energy Council policy director, Russell Marsh, said records for wind power generation in August were broken across the country, with Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and New South Wales all hitting new highs during the period.

"The new Macarthur Wind Farm in western Victoria is the largest in the southern hemisphere and provided a huge clean energy boost," Mr Marsh said.

The previous record was smashed in South Australia, with wind farms providing enough power for the equivalent of 38 per cent of the state, beating the previous record in August last year of 31.2 per cent.

In Victoria, wind power produced 7.9 per cent of the state's electricity, up from 5.4 per cent.

According to the Clean Energy Council, this would be enough to power the stadium lights at the MCG continuously for the next 44 years.

Tasmania's wind power generation rose from 7.5 to 11 per cent and New South Wales' went from 1.5 to 1.8 per cent.

Overall, the wind power generated across the south-eastern states produced 1024 gigawatt hours or eight per cent of power.

That would be enough to power Parliament House in Canberra for more than 40 years or make more than 6 billion toasted sandwiches.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-04/windy-august-produces-record-generation-of...




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Reply #62 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:38pm
 
We all know that the growth in renewable energy has meant that there have been fewer dirty coal fired power stations built but for some reason the neo cons and their denialist partners refuse to acknowledge the facts.
In the end the majority of people do not want Abbotts stupid direct inaction plan or a tax on carbon. They favour Labors ETS and subsidies to households so they can rid themselves of electricity bills by producing their own clean green energy from the sun and the wind.
Subsidies should go to households...not to those that burn dirty coal.
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Reply #63 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:53pm
 
Given enough numbers, you can pick the ones that "prove" whatever you want proven. It's called SPIN.
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Reply #64 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:56pm
 
It's official - carbon tax did all but nought!


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Reply #65 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:34pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:56pm:
It's official - carbon tax did all but nought!


Its the thought that counts  Grin


That's the problem with Labor policies - they don't put any thought into them!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent. 


Cows in India produce more gas than this in an hour

Australia spends $6B
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Reply #67 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:46pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
We all know that the growth in renewable energy has meant that there have been fewer dirty coal fired power stations built but for some reason the neo cons and their denialist partners refuse to acknowledge the facts.
In the end the majority of people do not want Abbotts stupid direct inaction plan or a tax on carbon. They favour Labors ETS and subsidies to households so they can rid themselves of electricity bills by producing their own clean green energy from the sun and the wind.
Subsidies should go to households...not to those that burn dirty coal.



and what have you done to live a cleaner greener life ??  Huh

and subsidies did go to households you nincompoop...

all it did was double the price of the Solar System...

now that the Subsidy has been removed Solar Systems have more than halved in price...

it just goes to show you have no clue in what you are talking about...
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Reply #68 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:56pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 4:31pm:
I do agree though why doesnt the govts that collects the rent.. usually at the same rate as private rent..do the right thing for the environment and put solar panels on all govy houses


A) It is not usually at the same rate as private rentals
B) Most government housing is run at a loss. The overall rent received is far less than the cost of maintaining the properties. 

Having said that, who is going to pay for the rentals? Should I pay so some dole bludger like Warrigal gets cheaper electricity?
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Reply #69 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:17pm
 
# wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:53pm:
Given enough numbers, you can pick the ones that "prove" whatever you want proven.

It's called SPIN ...





... with a dose of
"FUDGE"
thrown in - for good measure



I'll speculate, here, on how the
Minister for Non-Renewable Energy
has fudged the figures

His department has taken the
emissions reduction under a year of carbon pricing
- added in
the years to 2050 projected results of doing nothing
- and come up with a mean average reduction



I'll be interested to see how long it takes for ABC Fact Check to bust Hunt for lying on THIS one - as they have done so, successfully, in the PAST



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The claim:
Greg Hunt says emissions went up under the carbon price from 560 to 637 million tonnes.

The verdict:
Mr Hunt based his claim on modelling for the year 2020. He failed to mention that the same modelling projects that emissions would go up further if a carbon price wasn't in place. Mr Hunt's claim is misleading.



Details ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-01/greg-hunt-carbon-emissions-misleading/4989...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/greg-hunt-not-giving-full-story-climate-re...

https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enAU512...





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Reply #70 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:24pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
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LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent. 


Cows in India produce more gas than this in an hour

Australia spends $6B



So obviously we should just keep exponentially increasing our carbon output forever. That is going to help make it better.

That will teach those cows ????
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Reply #71 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:00pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
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LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent. 


Cows in India produce more gas than this in an hour

Australia spends $6B



So obviously we should just keep exponentially increasing our carbon output forever. That is going to help make it better.


Who is this "we" in context of this thread?

And the so call "exponential" - how does that relate to this "we"
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Reply #72 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:02am:
Grendel wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:58am:
In NSW more people than ever are being disconnected from services or having to get charity aid, or hardship conditions imposed...  increases over the last few years of up to 30%+ have made the cost of living an impossibility for the very poor or unemployed.
The imposition of the Carbon tax and various other Green related policies have hurt many people and families for nothing...   Roll Eyes


how many of those people would not have had services disconnected if the carbon tax hadn't been in place?

Possibly 20% less... hard to say... but you cannot ignore the Green agenda or any part of it because it all added up to the increases.
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Reply #73 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:12am:
Actually, greenhouse gas emissions have decreased by about 50% over the past 20-odd years without a carbon tax. It was all done through companies investing in newer, more efficient, economical and cleaner technology.






You've made that LAUGHABLE CLAIM, previously

It was SPEEDILY - and EFFORTLESSLY - debunked, with official statistics

Why HUMILIATE yourself any FURTHER ?






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Reply #74 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:12pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:15am:
Grendel wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 9:58am:
In NSW more people than ever are being disconnected from services or having to get charity aid, or hardship conditions imposed...  increases over the last few years of up to 30%+ have made the cost of living an impossibility for the very poor or unemployed.
The imposition of the Carbon tax and various other Green related policies have hurt many people and families for nothing...   Roll Eyes

You can blame Liberal governments for that. These assholes removed the incentives for people to have renewable energy that the likes of QLDers have in order to boost the pockets of dirty power providers. You are obviously in the pockets of those dirty providers given your championing of their dirty business.

Well you would Skippy...  but in NSW it is due to labor governments both state and federal.
i'd have thought the same would go for Qld as well.
Both states have had long term Labor governments.
You gonna do the conga now and try and dance around the facts?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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