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It's official - carbon tax did all but nought!
Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:26am
 
I hate to ever use the phrase "I told you so", but I'll relent this time given the importance of the topic. As if we needed any more reasons to dismantle the carbon dioxide tax, we now have irrefutable justification in doing so...



LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent. 
 
As PM Tony Abbott ratchets up the pressure on Labor's Bill Shorten to axe the carbon tax by Christmas, the new figures will be released this week by Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory.

They reveal that the introduction of the carbon tax coincided with a reduction of greenhouse gases of around 300,000 tonnes in the first full financial year of operation.

While the carbon tax is now $24 a tonne, the effective cost of the emissions reduction on the basis of revenue raised is $21,000 per tonne.

The official register of Australia's greenhouse gas emissions will reveal that in the financial year before the carbon tax was introduced Australia produced 546.2 million tonnes of emissions. After the carbon tax was introduced, the emissions dropped to just 545.9 million tonnes. These figures do not include fuels and refrigerants.

Climate Change Minister Greg Hunt said the best Christmas present Labor could give voters was axing the carbon tax.

"Bill Shorten simply refuses to accept the outcome of the election. He doesn't care about rising power bills or the will of the Australian people,'' Mr Hunt said.

"As we enter the final parliamentary sitting week of the year, Bill Shorten needs to get out of the way and allow the government to scrap the carbon tax.''

Opposition climate change spokesman Mark Butler said Labor supported axing the carbon tax but not replacing it with a slush fund for polluters.

"We went to the election with a policy to get rid of the carbon tax. The debate is over what you replace it with. That's why we are arguing the case for an emissions trading scheme,'' he said.

"The biggest contributor to carbon pollution is the electricity sector and so that's where you want to see change. And we did see change in that sector during the first year. The Coalition's policy is a dressed-up slush fund to pay polluters that is supported by no one."

The new figures reveal NSW produces more greenhouse gas emissions than any other state. But Queensland has the most companies paying the tax upfront. The cost of the carbon tax on electricity generators and other polluters is then passed on to consumers through higher electricity prices. Victoria is closely behind Queensland in total emissions.

In NSW and the ACT, there were 72 companies paying the carbon tax and overall the state produced 78.6 million tonnes of emissions. WA produced 42.2 million tonnes with 63 companies forced to pay the carbon tax. In SA just 11 companies paid the carbon tax, producing a modest 4.4 million tonnes of liable emissions. Tasmania produced just 1.7 million tonnes.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-under-pressure-to-axe-the-carbon-tax...
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:27am
 
Thee figures come from a department created by Labor, not the Coalition. So there's no wriggle room to contest the veracity of the figures. Labor cannot possibly continue to defend this toxic, USELESS tax. It's time... for the carbon tax to be but to death.
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:56am
 
I know what should be put to death, and it ain't the carbon non-tax.
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Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:12am
 
Its quite simple really...some states are addicted to burning dirty coal.
I just hope they stop putting their hands out when ever increasing weather related disasters put increasing pressures on state and personal finances.
The question now is how will Direct Action stop these idiots from burning coal and polluting the atmosphere?
Labors ETS is the  go..
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Reply #4 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:16am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:12am:
Its quite simple really...some states are addicted to burning dirty coal.
I just hope they stop putting their hands out when ever increasing weather related disasters put increasing pressures on state and personal finances.
The question now is how will Direct Action stop these idiots from burning coal and polluting the atmosphere?
Labors ETS is the  go..


So it's alright for us to export it to be used in China or India, but we can't use it ourselves, despite how much cheaper our electricity would be?
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Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:17am
 
a slow start to this,
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Reply #6 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:24am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:16am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:12am:
Its quite simple really...some states are addicted to burning dirty coal.
I just hope they stop putting their hands out when ever increasing weather related disasters put increasing pressures on state and personal finances.
The question now is how will Direct Action stop these idiots from burning coal and polluting the atmosphere?
Labors ETS is the  go..


So it's alright for us to export it to be used in China or India, but we can't use it ourselves, despite how much cheaper our electricity would be?


Nope..its not ok to export dirty coal anywhere..no more than its ok to export asbestos.
There are plenty of alternatives these days so its completely unnecessary to export and burn this deadly product.
Look at the pristine farmland in the Hunter Valley thats gone forever because of coal and look at the damage that coal has done to global temperatures not to mention localised pollution and the related sickness and death in India and China.
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Reply #7 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 6:29am
 
There is nothing "cheap" about the damage that mining and burning dirty coal does locally and globally.
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Reply #8 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:14am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:26am:
I hate to ever use the phrase "I told you so", but I'll relent this time given the importance of the topic. As if we needed any more reasons to dismantle the carbon dioxide tax, we now have irrefutable justification in doing so...


LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent. 
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-under-pressure-to-axe-the-carbon-tax...


The OP intelligentsia knew that the ALP tax was 'socialism dressed up as environmentalism'.

The ALP is the 'progressive and enlightened party' that appeals to cave-dwelling neanderthals.
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Reply #9 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:14am
 
I know I am alone on this one as well..

but I have notice  a HUGE change in packaging!!

havent looked at ciggies..

but buy a toothbrush..a pair of tweezers..even a potato peeler and you need an axe to get it out. of the packaging

tea bag I have bought liptons for years..now they wrap each 250 in a gold foil..plus box. plus another box plus the dreaded outer wrap that again seems to defy fingers to rip off..I wont mention  buying a kids simple toy that takes two adults to remove from piece of cardboard Roll Eyes
my latest is bottle tops or jar tops..screw off screw on. the ones that leave the small band behind.. all of a sudden king kong would have trouble unscrewing these tops.. yesterday it was vegemite I ended up banging it on the bench..

ok whats this got to do with carbontax and saving the world..

someone is making all this packaging and and stiffer and harder plastic..mostly going un noticed of course..the packaging is filling up our infill faster than ever before..this plastic is it bio??.. its harder than any plastic I have seen.

I look around and instead of getting LESS we are getting MORE all this stuff has to be made it is manufactured..

junk mail has exploded..so have the inserts on every mag or paper  we buy...

I feel like my waste bin goes out full of stuff I really dont want.. and if it wasnt forced on me my bin would only go out once every two months..

how do i reduce my footprint Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

go shopping with an axe maybe and leave the packaging at the door. Grin
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Reply #10 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:20am
 
The question I have, is why labor did not reveal how poorly the carbon tax had been performing.

Not only would it cost 21000 a tonne to catch up and succeed in its purpose, it has also failed to get any big nations to follow suite.

The carbon tax is a failure by any measure and it was labors policy and the party that got voted out, believes they can still govern by forcing more failure on to the australian people.
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Reply #11 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:22am
 
With Tony claiming he would scrap the tax, and the polls looking the way they were for the last 3 yrs, why would anyone in their right mind spend millions making changes when they could simply wait it out?
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Reply #12 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:26am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:20am:
The question I have, is why labor did not reveal how poorly the carbon tax had been performing.

Not only would it cost 21000 a tonne to catch up and succeed in its purpose, it has also failed to get any big nations to follow suite.

The carbon tax is a failure by any measure and it was labors policy and the party that got voted out, believes they can still govern by forcing more failure on to the australian people.



I still dont understand the compensation...

why pay us so we dont  stop using energy?

unless they could see mass jobs going if everyone stopped  buying petrol because they could no longer afford it..even though I figure that was the whole point of the exercise.. Cheesy..
save the planet bugger the jobs. Roll Eyes

dont forget shorty still believes in  it.
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Reply #13 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:26am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:22am:
With Tony claiming he would scrap the tax, and the polls looking the way they were for the last 3 yrs, why would anyone in their right mind spend millions making changes when they could simply wait it out?


Why would anyone on the left continue to defend this indefensible tax when it is by far the biggest reason Labor got annihilated at the election? Abbott has an undeniable mandate to dismantle the carbon tax. Labor needs to support that legislation without condition, as the Coalition did when Labor dismantled WorkChoices. Otherwise, Labor can settle themselves in to the side of the chamber they're currently sitting in in the House of Reps, because they won't be moving for a bloody long time.
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Reply #14 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:28am
 
cods wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:26am:
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 8:20am:
The question I have, is why labor did not reveal how poorly the carbon tax had been performing.

Not only would it cost 21000 a tonne to catch up and succeed in its purpose, it has also failed to get any big nations to follow suite.

The carbon tax is a failure by any measure and it was labors policy and the party that got voted out, believes they can still govern by forcing more failure on to the australian people.



I still dont understand the compensation...

why pay us so we dont  stop using energy?

unless they could see mass jobs going if everyone stopped  buying petrol because they could no longer afford it..even though I figure that was the whole point of the exercise.. Cheesy..
save the planet bugger the jobs. Roll Eyes

dont forget shorty still believes in  it.


But they don't want you, nor did they ever want to, stop using your electricity Cods ..try to keep up
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