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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #45 - Dec 9^th, 2013 at 11:35pm

muso wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

We had a light snow in the mountains day before yesterday.. fire on again... aaaah - the joys of Summer.

But I suppose that, unlike say, a heat wave in Kingaroy or a heap of seasonal rain in Darwin... that is only a local event and has no bearing on the overall picture...

It's funny how the local events that indicate higher temperatures are always valid, but any that indicate lower are not....... might have to talk with a scientist there to see where I'm misreading this....

As for me - the hot.. really hot summer can wait for a while, thanks... I don't do hot well these days.

It always amazes me how the stupid think climate change means warming so when it floods or massive storm fronts create other weather patterns they are confused to the meaning. It also amazes me how these same dumbf,,ks think they know more than the overwhelming majority of the scientific community yet most of them hold down mundane low class low intelligent level jobs. Grin

Climate Change means the addition of HEAT CONTENT to the climate system causing change.

Correct. Maybe Soren can hire you to give him lessons in Environmental Science.

We all know he's not ignorant Huh

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Reply #46 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 8:03am

A little bit thicker CO2 blanket over the globe comes just in time as the sun goes a bit less furious. Beautiful.
And by the time the next cycle of more intense sun activity comes around in a few decades, we will be ready with our solar cells and whatnot.
Perfect timing, boys.

And the bonus? OPEC will become China's problem as America and the West get energy self-sufficient and get off the OPEC oil dependency. Beautiful.
The U.S. has reached a significant milestone in its journey toward energy self-sufficiency, producing more oil than it imported last month for the first time in nearly two decades. This achievement comes as the International Energy Agency this week released its annual World Energy Outlook, which predicts the United States will surpass Saudi Arabia to become the world’s top oil producer by 2015. The once unthinkable goal of ending American reliance on foreign energy is now becoming a reality, with IEA forecasting that the U.S. could become energy self-sufficient by 2035.
https://energycommerce.house.gov/press-release/us-oil-production-tops-imports-am...

"Climate change" is, after all, as much a political issue as it is scientific, if not more so.
(More so. Ed.)

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now Reply #48 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:08pm
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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #49 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

muso wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

What we need is more renewable energy and less burning of fossil fuels. I'll let the politicians work out the best way of achieving this.

Best way to do that is to let the market find the most efficient point, and pricing in the polution cost to c02 emitting fuels.

ie. a carbon price.

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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #50 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:35pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

muso wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

What we need is more renewable energy and less burning of fossil fuels. I'll let the politicians work out the best way of achieving this.

Best way to do that is to let the market find the most efficient point, and pricing in the polution cost to c02 emitting fuels.

ie. a carbon price.

If carbon is to blame it doesn't mean jack if it's not a universal global price on all CO2 emissions from all sources not just fossil fuel. Otherwise stop wasting everyone's time by making out it will make a difference globally.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now Reply #51 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:44pm namnugenot wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:35pm: ... If carbon is to blame it doesn't mean jack if it's not a universal global price on all CO2 emissions from all sources not just fossil fuel. ... Can you substantiate that assertion?
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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #52 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

# wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

namnugenot wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

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If carbon is to blame it doesn't mean jack if it's not a universal global price on all CO2 emissions from all sources not just fossil fuel. ...

Can you substantiate that assertion?

Ay, you get votes for consistency! We all know these hardcore twofaces who reckon they know business is business rationale on the one handbut cant back up their own talkie talk talk talk talk squarky squark squark squark private school disgusting habits

Lol, go # i say!!!! Cool

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now Reply #53 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:13pm Yes i am enjoying the cricket thankyou for asking...!
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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #54 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

namnugenot wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

muso wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

What we need is more renewable energy and less burning of fossil fuels. I'll let the politicians work out the best way of achieving this.

Best way to do that is to let the market find the most efficient point, and pricing in the polution cost to c02 emitting fuels.

ie. a carbon price.

If carbon is to blame it doesn't mean jack if it's not a universal global price on all CO2 emissions from all sources not just fossil fuel. Otherwise stop wasting everyone's time by making out it will make a difference globally.

Entropy means you lose relevancy! Sorry spark spark once was a bright sparky spark but now looking for meaning in the irrelevant abysss Cry

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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #55 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

muso wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

What we need is more renewable energy and less burning of fossil fuels. I'll let the politicians work out the best way of achieving this.

Best way to do that is to let the market find the most efficient point, and pricing in the polution cost to c02 emitting fuels.

ie. a carbon price.

In an ideal world perhaps. The biggest factor is the human factor. (Politics if you like). If we can find a solution that is more palatable and can be implemented faster, then that is probably the best the way to go.

What is needed first and foremost is to remove unfair subsidies on fossil fuels in order to attain a level playing field for renewables.

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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #56 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:49pm

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

muso wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

What we need is more renewable energy and less burning of fossil fuels. I'll let the politicians work out the best way of achieving this.

Best way to do that is to let the market find the most efficient point, and pricing in the polution cost to c02 emitting fuels.

ie. a carbon price.

In an ideal world perhaps. The biggest factor is the human factor. (Politics if you like). If we can find a solution that is more palatable and can be implemented faster, then that is probably the best the way to go.

What is needed first and foremost is to remove unfair subsidies on fossil fuels in order to attain a level playing field for renewables.

The miserable science indoctrinated at 13... go humanity! Especially go the boers or something?!???! Cool

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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #57 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:11pm

Soren wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 8:03am:

A little bit thicker CO2 blanket over the globe comes just in time as the sun goes a bit less furious. Beautiful.
And by the time the next cycle of more intense sun activity comes around in a few decades, we will be ready with our solar cells and whatnot.
Perfect timing, boys.

Very optimistic. Reminds me of the Stockdale paradox.

http://ulink.utah.edu/s/1077/newsletter/index.aspx?sid=1077&gid=1&pgid=923

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Lesson 1: Blind optimism is not the path.
Absolute blind optimism was the undoing of some of those prisoners who didn't survive. Stockdale makes it clear that you must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever those facts might be. As Stockdale makes clear, this is a mental perspective that can be powerfully effective. You must have faith that you will prevail, plus discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality.

Lesson 2: Take realistic stock of your situation.
For me, the Stockdale Paradox carries an important lesson in personal development and an important lesson for job seekers as they face a sometimes prolonged, painful, and arduous journey, looking for re-invention and work. I don’t want anyone to doubt that they can achieve personal goals, no matter how lofty they may be. However, it is critical to take honest stock of your current situation. Don’t lie to yourself for fear of short-term embarrassment or discomfort, because such deception will only come back to defeat you in the end. [Blind optimism on its own can be a dangerous thing.

Stockdale was about as conservative as you can get.

It also reminds me of an irresponsible gambler.

I'll see your civilization, and raise you...... Sorry nothing left to raise you.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now Reply #58 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:30pm Oi, muso, did soren really make that quote? ... or did i just forget smoking crack??????
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Reply #59 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:45pm

There is no scientific - testable - evidence for AGW, only statistical conjecture.
There is zero scientific evidence for human causing climate change. Zero. AGW simply doesn't clear the scientific hurdle - to be testable and then repeatable.

Computer models are unreliable and are based on guess work about a system (climate) that is as well understood as the brain. Which is to say, not very well. Hence the extraordinary reliance on calculating chances, aka actuarial guesswork.i

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