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Reply #105 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sadly, not many people realise Australia is a carbon sink.

Identify all mechanisms that characterise this carbon sink.

what proportion of Australia's natural tree cover has been cleared since the British invaded in 1788?

The Chief Scientist Australia did that for you. The figures are current to the last Government.

right.... so you don't know.

you gallop in here like a parroting right wing freak fascist emitting foul odours and the putrid stench of your own deranged clown maggot decay.

why bother debating this issue if you enter these rooms intellectually defenceless ??

Works for you chimp. Stop trying to hog that space

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Reply #106 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:11pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sadly, not many people realise Australia is a carbon sink.

Identify all mechanisms that characterise this carbon sink.

what proportion of Australia's natural tree cover has been cleared since the British invaded in 1788?

The Chief Scientist Australia did that for you. The figures are current to the last Government.

right.... so you don't know.

you gallop in here like a parroting right wing freak fascist emitting foul odours and the putrid stench of your own deranged clown maggot decay.

why bother debating this issue if you enter these rooms intellectually defenceless ??

Works for you chimp. Stop trying to hog that space

WOW - what a supremely witty and intellectually sublime interfering come back

There is no way ANYBODY in the known Universe can counter that.

See what happens when you forget to take your daily medication?

You are my 7th favourite deranged lunatic deceiver in this forum

Keep up the great work in here you film of de-crystallised putrid weasel urine

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Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now
Reply #107 - Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:22pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

lee wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sadly, not many people realise Australia is a carbon sink.

Identify all mechanisms that characterise this carbon sink.

what proportion of Australia's natural tree cover has been cleared since the British invaded in 1788?

The Chief Scientist Australia did that for you. The figures are current to the last Government.

right.... so you don't know.

you gallop in here like a parroting right wing freak fascist emitting foul odours and the putrid stench of your own deranged clown maggot decay.

why bother debating this issue if you enter these rooms intellectually defenceless ??

Works for you chimp. Stop trying to hog that space

WOW - what a supremely witty and intellectually sublime interfering come back

There is no way ANYBODY in the known Universe can counter that.

See what happens when you forget to take your daily medication?

You are my 7th favourite deranged lunatic deceiver in this forum

Keep up the great work in here you film of de-crystallised putrid weasel urine

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Reply #108 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 11:10am

Chimp Logic, Just for you-

'It has been estimated that in 1788, forests (according to the current definition) covered about 30% of the country. This suggests we have lost about one third of the forest area (84 million hectares) since European settlement.'

https://theconversation.com/australias-vast-and-dynamic-forest-cover-a-birds-eye
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Carbon is stored in the biomass of the living plants, sequestered into the soil and also stored in the dead remnants.

The report from The Chief Scientist only gives an estimate for the soil storage.

The report from the ANU paper showing above and below ground storage is here-

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0717-forest_carbon.html

What were you wishing to debate?

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Reply #109 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:10pm

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Chimp Logic, Just for you-

'It has been estimated that in 1788, forests (according to the current definition) covered about 30% of the country. This suggests we have lost about one third of the forest area (84 million hectares) since European settlement.'

https://theconversation.com/australias-vast-and-dynamic-forest-cover-a-birds-eye
-view-6404

Carbon is stored in the biomass of the living plants, sequestered into the soil and also stored in the dead remnants.

The report from The Chief Scientist only gives an estimate for the soil storage.

The report from the ANU paper showing above and below ground storage is here-

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0717-forest_carbon.html

What were you wishing to debate?

Thanks for that Lee

You do realise that there is DIFFERENCE between the dynamic natural carbon cycle which effectively has a slowly varying total carbon content, AND the FIXED carbon, or sequestered carbon within the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

Carbon sinks are NOT infinite and instantaneous sources of carbon uptake. You only need to look at the saturation levels of dissolved CO2 in the earths water ways to understand this simple reality.

Natural sinks also act BOTH WAYS, depending on conditions such as temperature and pH etc...

Have you noticed the natural sequestration of Carbon through fossil fuel in the earths crust has been a very effective long term method of storing Carbon?

Inform everyone Mr lee,

What CO2 level in the earths atmosphere would concern you?

(it currently sits on about 400 ppmv, up from 285 ppmv, in the late 1900s)

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Reply #110 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:26pm

Exactly, CO2 levels vary. Bushfire, flood all have an impact.

Because there is doubt as to the accuracy of the ice core data, due to gas bubbles moving through the ice, I can no give a definite opinion. But obviously higher than 280 ppm that is the postulated level at the LIA. Of course, if that data is wrong the level would need to be adjusted commensurately.

We know CO2 increases plant growth and crop data from around the world agrees with that, during normal growing seasons.

The hiatus in AGW, to which even the IPCC admits, in the face of higher CO2 levels, must mean that natural variation is greater than CO2 warming.

So what is your take on Carbon sequestration via Australia's forests?

What do you think is the greatest amount of CO2 we can bear?

With temperatures expected to rise by 0.3/decade, is this above the noise level of the data?

Which cleared land are we to use for reafforestation to reduce our carbon footprint?

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Reply #111 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

Exactly, CO2 levels vary. Bushfire, flood all have an impact.

Because there is doubt as to the accuracy of the ice core data, due to gas bubbles moving through the ice, I can no give a definite opinion. But obviously higher than 280 ppm that is the postulated level at the LIA. Of course, if that data is wrong the level would need to be adjusted commensurately.

We know CO2 increases plant growth and crop data from around the world agrees with that, during normal growing seasons.

The hiatus in AGW, to which even the IPCC admits, in the face of higher CO2 levels, must mean that natural variation is greater than CO2 warming.

So what is your take on Carbon sequestration via Australia's forests?

What do you think is the greatest amount of CO2 we can bear?

With temperatures expected to rise by 0.3/decade, is this above the noise level of the data?

Which cleared land are we to use for reafforestation to reduce our carbon footprint?

In other words you don't know and ignore experts and scientists who do know.

I see..

So business as usual as far as you are concerned

Keep digging up the earth's crust and keep burning everything

That's your solution until the roof falls on ALL our heads.

It's great that this very important and urgent global issue is not in your hands.

(although one must recognise that there are many politicians and business leaders who are just like you lee.)

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Reply #112 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Chimp Logic, Just for you-

'It has been estimated that in 1788, forests (according to the current definition) covered about 30% of the country. This suggests we have lost about one third of the forest area (84 million hectares) since European settlement.'

https://theconversation.com/australias-vast-and-dynamic-forest-cover-a-birds-eye
-view-6404

Carbon is stored in the biomass of the living plants, sequestered into the soil and also stored in the dead remnants.

The report from The Chief Scientist only gives an estimate for the soil storage.

The report from the ANU paper showing above and below ground storage is here-

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0717-forest_carbon.html

What were you wishing to debate?

Thanks for that Lee

You do realise that there is DIFFERENCE between the dynamic natural carbon cycle which effectively has a slowly varying total carbon content, AND the FIXED carbon, or sequestered carbon within the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

Carbon sinks are NOT infinite and instantaneous sources of carbon uptake. You only need to look at the saturation levels of dissolved CO2 in the earths water ways to understand this simple reality.

Natural sinks also act BOTH WAYS, depending on conditions such as temperature and pH etc...

Have you noticed the natural sequestration of Carbon through fossil fuel in the earths crust has been a very effective long term method of storing Carbon?

Inform everyone Mr lee,

What CO2 level in the earths atmosphere would concern you?

(it currently sits on about 400 ppmv, up from 285 ppmv, in the late 1900s)

Still dangerously well below average...

Actually...you'll enjoy this...there was a report on research that was done in 2011 that said the opening of so many coal fired power stations in China was MASKING the effects of "global warming". Because along with CO2 it also produces SO2 which has a cooling effect so much so that some scientist are advocating that sulphur aerosols be shot into the atmosphere as a geoengineering measure with 1 Kg sufficient to neutralize a few hundred thousand Kg of CO2...hysterically ironic because they now widely desulphurize emissions. Wink

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Reply #114 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:58pm

namnugenot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Chimp Logic, Just for you-

'It has been estimated that in 1788, forests (according to the current definition) covered about 30% of the country. This suggests we have lost about one third of the forest area (84 million hectares) since European settlement.'

https://theconversation.com/australias-vast-and-dynamic-forest-cover-a-birds-eye
-view-6404

Carbon is stored in the biomass of the living plants, sequestered into the soil and also stored in the dead remnants.

The report from The Chief Scientist only gives an estimate for the soil storage.

The report from the ANU paper showing above and below ground storage is here-

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0717-forest_carbon.html

What were you wishing to debate?

Thanks for that Lee

You do realise that there is DIFFERENCE between the dynamic natural carbon cycle which effectively has a slowly varying total carbon content, AND the FIXED carbon, or sequestered carbon within the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

Carbon sinks are NOT infinite and instantaneous sources of carbon uptake. You only need to look at the saturation levels of dissolved CO2 in the earths water ways to understand this simple reality.

Natural sinks also act BOTH WAYS, depending on conditions such as temperature and pH etc...

Have you noticed the natural sequestration of Carbon through fossil fuel in the earths crust has been a very effective long term method of storing Carbon?

Inform everyone Mr lee,

What CO2 level in the earths atmosphere would concern you?

(it currently sits on about 400 ppmv, up from 285 ppmv, in the late 1900s)

Still dangerously well below average...

Actually...you'll enjoy this...there was a report on research that was done in 2011 that said the opening of so many coal fired power stations in China was MASKING the effects of "global warming". Because along with CO2 it also produces SO2 which has a cooling effect so much so that some scientist are advocating that sulphur aerosols be shot into the atmosphere as a geoengineering measure with 1 Kg sufficient to neutralize a few hundred thousand Kg of CO2...hysterically ironic because they now widely desulphurize emissions. Wink

Well stop the research immediately. We now have all we need to know, and can ramp up sulpur production based on this single post.

What could possibly go wrong ?

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Reply #115 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

namnugenot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Chimp Logic, Just for you-

'It has been estimated that in 1788, forests (according to the current definition) covered about 30% of the country. This suggests we have lost about one third of the forest area (84 million hectares) since European settlement.'

https://theconversation.com/australias-vast-and-dynamic-forest-cover-a-birds-eye
-view-6404

Carbon is stored in the biomass of the living plants, sequestered into the soil and also stored in the dead remnants.

The report from The Chief Scientist only gives an estimate for the soil storage.

The report from the ANU paper showing above and below ground storage is here-

http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0717-forest_carbon.html

What were you wishing to debate?

Thanks for that Lee

You do realise that there is DIFFERENCE between the dynamic natural carbon cycle which effectively has a slowly varying total carbon content, AND the FIXED carbon, or sequestered carbon within the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

Carbon sinks are NOT infinite and instantaneous sources of carbon uptake. You only need to look at the saturation levels of dissolved CO2 in the earths water ways to understand this simple reality.

Natural sinks also act BOTH WAYS, depending on conditions such as temperature and pH etc...

Have you noticed the natural sequestration of Carbon through fossil fuel in the earths crust has been a very effective long term method of storing Carbon?

Inform everyone Mr lee,

What CO2 level in the earths atmosphere would concern you?

(it currently sits on about 400 ppmv, up from 285 ppmv, in the late 1900s)

Still dangerously well below average...

Actually...you'll enjoy this...there was a report on research that was done in 2011 that said the opening of so many coal fired power stations in China was MASKING the effects of "global warming". Because along with CO2 it also produces SO2 which has a cooling effect so much so that some scientist are advocating that sulphur aerosols be shot into the atmosphere as a geoengineering measure with 1 Kg sufficient to neutralize a few hundred thousand Kg of CO2...hysterically ironic because they now widely desulphurize emissions. Wink

Well stop the research immediately. We now have all we need to know, and can ramp up sulpur production based on this single post.

What could possibly go wrong ?

So you're denying SO2 has a large cooling effect?

Or is it that you and # don't care where the coal goes O/S or at what price because the probable lack of pollution standards, as in force here, will push out lots of SO2 and you get to be all smug.

What do you mean, single post...lots and lots of papers about on it...done by people in white coats and beakers and whatnot.

What could go wrong?....well lots of things...but you don't give a rat's rectum when you are happy for measures to be put in place for reductions in CO2 (but only domestically) at any cost.

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Reply #117 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

The AGW denialist cult religion is in town folks

Its like a freak circus in here with demented lies and levels of ignorance never seen before

the stench of deceit is nostril follicle singeing

If you can show where in my post I lied I'm happy to make a full retraction and apologise...otherwise I'm happy to bend over while you pucker up...no tongue now.... Tongue

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: We need a carbon tax. GW is real and now Reply #118 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 8:51pm lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Chimp logic, You say you want a debate, but add nothing. If you add nothing it is merely a monologue. TTFN Like I said, you don't know!
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Reply #119 - Jan 8^th, 2014 at 8:53pm

namnugenot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

The AGW denialist cult religion is in town folks

Its like a freak circus in here with demented lies and levels of ignorance never seen before

the stench of deceit is nostril follicle singeing

If you can show where in my post I lied I'm happy to make a full retraction and apologise...otherwise I'm happy to bend over while you pucker up...no tongue now.... Tongue

I see - so you admit to being part of the AGW denialist church congregation

How does it feel to be honest in public

FOR ONCE!

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