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Reply #30 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

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I'm not entirely sure I understand this. Why do I have the feeling there's something a little suss about returned military personnel from an 11 year war in Afghanistan not being able to cope with fishing bodies out of the water with a 10-foot gaff-pole?

I think that lacks credibility.

And I think a couple of nasty habits picked up while on overseas service is all too often sanitised with glib clinical terminology such as 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder'.

'Heavy Drinking and Pot-Smoking Disorder' would be a little more accurate with a lot of them.

And these are indulged not so much to handle the fear, but to handle the excruciating boredom that war is mostly all about.

As usual, Herbie, you fail to understand because you don't want to understand.

I for one am glad that this issue is being at least discussed. Having served with many who had undiagnosed PTSD and who self-medicated with Alcohol, if we'd known what they were suffering from, we might have been able to save more lives. I've had good friends who ended up dead, invariably because of the drink, who should have had their problems looked after a long time before but they came from the generations which ignored their own mental health issues until it was too late. The military refused to even acknowledge they had a problem. The more understanding units merely tolerated their often alcoholic fuelled problems, accepting that it was them trying to work out their demons for themselves.

It should definitely be discussed but not by idiot civilians looking to troll the message board to see who that can offend.

I agree. Herbie is a troll, indeed, HB calls him a "Master of the way of the troll".

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We will look after our own like we always have, no-one elses business but ours.

Partially I agree and partially I disagree. I've seen how poor the military has been at "looking after it's own", in the past. DVA, a civilian agency is better suited to it IMHO. After WWII, they didn't have a name for it but they had to cope with it. One only has to read Russell Braddon's description of the time he spent in a mental ward after returning from his experiences as a PoW of the Japanese on the Burma-Siam railway.

They did indeed have a name for PTSD in WW1, it was commonly referred to as Shell Shock only after they shot quite a few, firstly calling them cowards and only later during the Great War did they realise that they were definitely suffering from extreme physiological damage.

BigOl, I sincerely hope your reference to "European Softcocks" did NOT include British Troops?

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Re: Post-traumatic Stress of returned soldiers.
Reply #32 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:45pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

Is it possible to call Conscientious Objectors Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder patients?

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who escaped to Canada to get out of the draft for Vietnam?

Or was that Cassius Clay? Elvis?

Which war did you fight in, Herbie? I believe you came to Oz in time to be drafted for Vietnam? Or did you miss out on that as a £10 Pom?

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Reply #33 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

Is it possible to call Conscientious Objectors Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder patients?

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who escaped to Canada to get out of the draft for Vietnam?

Or was that Cassius Clay? Elvis?

Which war did you fight in, Herbie? I believe you came to Oz in time to be drafted for Vietnam? Or did you miss out on that as a £10 Pom?

Hi Neferti. I actually wasn't a £10 Pom. My marble didn't drop into the barrel, thank God.

The Australian politicians who made it compulsory to fight in Vietnam should all have long since been executed as war criminals.

With Afghanistan there's some justification for fighting the Taliban who gave succor and a home-base for the likes of al-Qaeda and their murderous '9/11', but with Vietnam it was simply political whimsy about a 'domino theory' that cost so many good people (on both sides) their lives.

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Reply #34 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:38pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

Is it possible to call Conscientious Objectors Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder patients?

You were probably too old to be drafted anyway.

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who escaped to Canada to get out of the draft for Vietnam?

Or was that Cassius Clay? Elvis?

Which war did you fight in, Herbie? I believe you came to Oz in time to be drafted for Vietnam? Or did you miss out on that as a £10 Pom?

Hi Neferti. I actually wasn't a £10 Pom. My marble didn't drop into the barrel, thank God.

The Australian politicians who made it compulsory to fight in Vietnam should all have long since been executed as war criminals.

With Afghanistan there's some justification for fighting the Taliban who gave succor and a home-base for the likes of al-Qaeda and their murderous '9/11', but with Vietnam it was simply political whimsy about a 'domino theory' that cost so many good people (on both sides) their lives.

Vietnam was way before my time. You are far too old to have been a marble in the barrel. They were ONLY 19 when conscription came in .... and those blokes are only 60-62 these days. At least 10 years younger than you state you are. Grin

All the Way with LBJ, wasn't it?

As far as other Wars that the Yanks have gotten themselves into ......

I wonder what the next one will be .......... Roll Eyes

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Reply #35 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Vietnam was way before my time. You are far too old to have been a marble in the barrel. They were ONLY 19 when subscription came in .... and those blokes are only 60-62 these days. At least 10 years younger than you state you are. Grin

All the Way with LBJ, wasn't it?

As far as other Wars that the Yanks have gotten themselves into ......

I wonder what the next one will be .......... Roll Eyes

Angola. To re-install the Muslims back into the country. Tongue

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Reply #37 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Thus the flag avatar? Do you speak Portuguese?

You must have missed the news.

Angola is the second country since Spain to start a process of de-Islamisation by removing mosques and trucking Muslims to the borders.

They simply don't want to follow the example of Nigeria where Muslim-on-Christian slaughter has become a routine event.

Angola is simply taking sensible precautions to secure peace for their future generations by not allowing the Muslim community to grow and become an increasingly rival and dangerous political force within the country.

If political correctness didn't reign in Oslo, next year's Nobel Peace Prize would certainly be awarded to Angola for their foresight in ensuring that Islam doesn't grow to be a terrorist organisation within that country in future years.

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Reply #40 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

BigOl, I sincerely hope your reference to "European Softcocks" did NOT include British Troops?

It's what ever soft c0ck country herbert comes from.

So you're just another gobshite who has a problem with their own confidence. I have my doubts that you have ever served.

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Reply #41 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:43am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

BigOl, I sincerely hope your reference to "European Softcocks" did NOT include British Troops?

It's what ever soft c0ck country herbert comes from.

So you're just another gobshite who has a problem with their own confidence. I have my doubts that you have ever served.

So, you read herbert's initial reply to me before posting this load of wank. Or are you just another civvie deadsh1t out trolling the defence board?

Either way, I could not give a flying bugger what your opinion is or isn't. If you haven't served youreself, shut the bugger up and go somewhere else to do your trolling. Angry

Friggen getting sick of friggen school holiday's when these idiot children start posting sh1t.

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Re: Post-traumatic Stress of returned soldiers.
Reply #42 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 7:48am

mantra wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

It's always a surprise to me when you politely give your point of view and someone responds with abuse. Surely they can explain why you're incorrect? Instead we see this incoherency with added expletives which we're supposed to believe is meaningful.

Coming to the realisation that one is nothing more than a disposable pawn, makes some people a little grumpy.

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Reply #43 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 7:48am:

mantra wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

It's always a surprise to me when you politely give your point of view and someone responds with abuse. Surely they can explain why you're incorrect? Instead we see this incoherency with added expletives which we're supposed to believe is meaningful.

Coming to the realisation that one is nothing more than a disposable pawn, makes some people a little grumpy.

Exactly.

Being a prawn in someone's salad and DROWNING in cheap No Name Brand Mayonnaise is NOT amusing.

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Reply #44 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:43am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

BigOl, I sincerely hope your reference to "European Softcocks" did NOT include British Troops?

It's what ever soft c0ck country herbert comes from.

So you're just another gobshite who has a problem with their own confidence. I have my doubts that you have ever served.

So, you read herbert's initial reply to me before posting this load of wank. Or are you just another civvie deadsh1t out trolling the defence board?

Either way, I could not give a flying bugger what your opinion is or isn't. If you haven't served youreself, shut the bugger up and go somewhere else to do your trolling. Angry

Friggen getting sick of friggen school holiday's when these idiot children start posting sh1t.

Pearls of wisdom from Walter Mitty...............who sounds like a kid himself......

Your full of it bigmouth64

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