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Reply #30 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 9:48pm
 
Son I wouldn't even know what the dole looked like.

I have been on the dole as much as you have served in Vietnam?

How you going with that XBox game anyway? Got up to level 4 yet? I've been promoted to Captain now.

Surely must out-rank you.


You know what I genuinely think you believe you did serve...

Bit like the lunatic who dresses as Napoleon in the asylum.

Send in the armies eh?
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Reply #31 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 10:02pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 9:29pm:
I'm not going to do it
( ... ironing)
and my wife has 2 children to look after and doesnt have time.







She needs one of THESE, if looking after 2 kids - and doing the occasional spot of ironing - is too much to cope with


...

... as her mother would have done







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Reply #32 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 10:19pm
 
Her mother is from Townsville. Pretty sure that's not the case.

But why let facts get in the way of broad based unsupported assumptions...
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Reply #33 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:02am
 

Townsville....

Yes, she would have had one, same colour, different lingo.
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Reply #34 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:24am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 9:16pm:
A shop does my ironing actually.


I wont take that literally, I'm going to assume that someone in the shop does the ironing.
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Reply #35 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:29am
 
A liberal government ripping off education - now there's a surprise - NOT.

The Liberal tradition continues.

A Liberal government lying to gain power - another non surprise.

The Liberal tradition continues.
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Reply #36 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Her mother is from Townsville. Pretty sure that's not the case.

But why let facts get in the way of broad based unsupported assumptions...





MY mistake
I meant YOUR mother's mother



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Reply #37 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 11:13am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:29am:
A liberal government ripping off education - now there's a surprise - NOT.

The Liberal tradition continues.

A Liberal government lying to gain power - another non surprise.

The Liberal tradition continues.






Despite the initial disadvantages and a downgrading of quality of education so cruelly thrust on the children of hardworking, working-class parents -
the Abbott/Pyne LIE on Gonski reform has its POSITIVES


Abbott has handed Labor his
" ... not under any government I lead"
moment VERY early in the picture
UNLIKE Gillard, he has NO minority government to justify a reversal of election policy

Come next election, working class families of the
LibNat
gains in the western suburbs - ANYTOWN - will be reminded of this
deliberate BETRAYAL OF TRUST






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Reply #38 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm
 
NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson

Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience.

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Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision.

However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”.

Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal.

Tony Vinson Woollahra


http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-w...
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Reply #39 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:02pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson

Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience.

Quote:
Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision.

However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”.

Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal.

Tony Vinson Woollahra


http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-w...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin The educate crims don't get CAUGHT
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Reply #40 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:31pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 5:31pm:
Worst Government Ever


Even their conservative mates cant believe how dumb this federal government is





The NSW Premier, Barry O'Farrell, has warned the federal government against reneging on the funding deal struck on the Gonski education reforms.

Mr O'Farrell says New South Wales has an agreement for a set amount of money and his state won't settle for less.

He's criticised Mr Pyne's handling of the issue.

"In all my years in politics, I've worked out that it's best to have respectful discussions and consultations in private, not through the media," he said.

"Secondly,
when you move into government, you've got to stop behaving like an Opposition
[and] this issue has been escalated because of the poor way in which it's been handled."


The state Education Minister, Adrian Piccoli, says he's made policy commitments based on the funding agreement reached with the Commonwealth.

"We've got those commitments in place, we're doing great work, huge reforms to lift performance and this is a real body-blow for Education across the public, Catholic and private systems in NSW," he said.

Meantime, the Uralla-based spokeswoman of the NSW P&C, Rachel Sowden, has backed Barry O'Farrell over his criticism of Christopher Pyne's plans to re-negotiate education funding deals.

"We applaud Barry O'Farrell and the Eduction Minister for standing strong on this," she said.

"It is so important that the Gonski model is retained and very important that the equity funding made available to our students is maintained."

Rachel Sowden says Christopher Pyne has frightened parents and educators alike and has made the management of finances nearly impossible.

"Look, I think it makes it really hard to do any sort of budget planning for school," she said.

"We would be looking to ask Christopher Pyne to come to the table to talk to the Education ministers across the country and have a sensible conversation."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-26/fears-of-gonski-backpedal-has-premier-and-...







This REVERSAL of election policy is simly an avenue for
one POMPOUS, former private school "old boy"
to give extra money to
the younger generation of POMPOUS private school boys



Don't think for a MOMENT, that when Pyne speaks of what is best for
"our kids"
- that he is necessarily talking about
"your kids"






To think, people need to ASK, why I could never vote for these BASTARDS !










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Reply #41 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 4:53pm
 
The former head of the NSW Education Department and a co-author of the Gonski report, Dr Ken Boston, says the situation could bring public education to its knees.

"Gonski was a done deal. This had been signed up. Mr Abbott had talked of a unity ticket," he said.

"Now ... we've potentially backed away from Commonwealth support for public education."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-30/gonski-author-labels-pyne-minister-on-l-pl...






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Reply #42 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 6:10pm
 
Gonski: Christopher Pyne should know that Australia isn't England


The education minister is committed to a brand of
Thatcherite liberalism
combining free market economics and conservative morality.

Sabotaging Gonski guarantees his tenure's failure



...




Christopher Pyne staged a dramatic intervention in the politics of Australian education this week. Using the platform of the Blue Room in Canberra’s parliament house, he announced that he intends to abandon any commitment to implementing the school funding agreements formalised by the Labor federal government between April and July 2013. In the week that Pyne sat down for his first meeting with state education ministers, this was big news.

Pyne had clearly made a decision to go early, and go hard, in attacking a model of school funding that he has opposed at every step of its development. His confidence in doing so, despite the blatant breaking of public promises made during the 2013 election campaign, suggests that he believes he can disregard those commitments and win a political fight to change course.

Public backing of Pyne by the prime minister, Tony Abbott, implies that this position is shared across the government.


But Pyne has miscalculated.

The fact that he has gone wrong so early, and so spectacularly, reveals some important things about his priorities and his understanding of politics. In order to make them clear, we need to clarify some features of the Gonski funding reforms and the nature of Australian education, which Pyne has deliberately put into contest.

First, the budget "black hole". As the Gillard government negotiated with states, territories and non-government school authorities during 2013, it put agreements in place one by one, starting with New South Wales.

The federal budget fell in May, while these negotiations were still ongoing. The government decided to make provision for further agreements before the election campaign without disclosing the amounts available because they were still the focus of intense negotiation with Victoria, the Northern Territory and others. Not every agreement was struck, and in its final economic update before the election campaign, treasurer Chris Bowen announced that $1.2bn, which had been placed in the contingency reserve for negotiating reasons and was uncommitted, would now be returned to the bottom line.

This $1.2bn has nothing to do with the $2.8bn reported in the May budget as the additional spending committed by the Gillard government to schools to pay for the funding agreements that it had already struck. In turn, that $2.8bn was simply a funding estimate, using Treasury accounting, of the additional federal funding being committed over four years, the standard period for Budget Estimates.

The actual dollar amounts being committed over six years in the funding agreements were far greater, and represented a better deal for schools than they could ever have imagined under the previous system. The federal government was increasing its share of this funding, as a deliberate objective, in order to work towards higher student achievement – especially among those facing socioeconomic disadvantage.

By claiming a “unity ticket” with Labor over their four year commitment of $2.8bn, Abbott and Pyne were already misleading the public to believe that they were matching the formal agreements that had been struck.


This week they have gone further, by ripping up even that commitment, and seeking to blame the change on an unrelated decision about $1.2bn, and then apparently on the "confusion" of journalists in reporting their earlier commitments.

The fact that Pyne is prepared to proffer such a blatant untruth about this detail should give some clues as to what he says about the rest of the Gonski model.



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/30/gonski-christopher-pyne-sho...




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Reply #43 - Nov 30th, 2013 at 6:14pm
 
woody2014 wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 2:02pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
NSW people will know Tony Vinson, for those who don’t here’s a bit about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vinson

Today Mr Vinson had a letter published in the SMH. It deserves a wider audience.

Quote:
Throughout my 50 years of working in and around prisons and involvement in disadvantaged communities and education, time and again it has been evident that ensuring that children have the opportunity to prosper educationally is a moral obligation on society. Over the years I have appreciated the remarks of those political leaders and education ministers who have couched their support for education in terms of the social and economic benefits to be derived from its adequate provision.

However, until Minister Adrian Piccoli’s statements in defence of the previously agreed Gonski funding, I had never heard a politician explicitly recognise the moral basis for combating educational disadvantage, and the minister should be congratulated for that. He spoke pointedly of the scarcity of university graduates among the incarcerated of our society. He is in good intellectual company, for 160 years earlier, one of the brightest Australians of the 19th century, Daniel Deniehy, made a similar point. He declared one of the prime duties of a government in any country to be the education of its subjects. The fulfilment of that obligation, he said, disposes people to achieve not only materially but to acquire attitudes and behaviour that keep them out of the reach of the criminal justice system – “saving the building of many a new lock-up and penitentiary”.

Acknowledging our particular obligation to children from socially disadvantaged backgrounds still leaves room for debate about the educational means to be employed but it does add urgency to the effort to uphold our declared value of the ”fair go”. The Gonski scheme, as originally formulated, is designed to achieve that goal.

Tony Vinson Woollahra


http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/suffer-the-children-if-pyne-gets-his-w...

The educate crims don't get CAUGHT



The educate crims don't get CAUGHT

The dumb ones go to prison the smart ones become Liberal politicians.
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carbon  tax lie/promise.


Now we can laugh as you choke on your hypocrisy.
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