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Nov 10^th, 2013 at 8:36pm

Typhoon Haiyan: widespread destruction in central Philippines city of Tacloban

Local TV pictures show the terrrible aftermath of the the typhoon on Tacloban, where a local police chief estimates thousands have perished, as the reacue operation gets underway in many other areas of the country.

The death toll from one of the strongest storms on record that ravaged the central Philippine city of Tacloban could reach 10,000 people, officials said after the extent of massive devastation became apparent.

Regional police chief Elmer Soria said he was briefed by Leyte provincial Governor Dominic Petilla late on Saturday and told there were about 10,000 deaths on the island, mostly by drowning and from collapsed buildings.

The governor's figure was based on reports from village officials in areas where Typhoon Haiyan slammed on Friday.

About 300-400 bodies have already been recovered, he said.

The typhoon barrelled through six central Philippine islands on Friday, wiping away buildings and levelling seaside homes.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/10438796/Typhoon-Haiy...
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The article also has an embedded video, showing some of the damage.

What we know, is that this is the strongest storm to hit land, with winds gusting up to 380 kph.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/08/typhoon-haiyan-biggest-storms

What we don't know, for sure, is whether this is a precursor of things to come, But it certainly fits with what the Climate Change scientists have been saying, with more/serious droughts & more/serious storms & other Climate Changes!

And, it is certainly fitting the patterns already emerging, so it would seem that the physical property damage shown here in the Philippines & the high number of likely deaths, is something we will see repeated, with a growing regularity, over the decades to come!

Oh & anyone in Australia or elsewhere, who thinks this has nothing to do with them, THINK AGAIN!

Insurance is a commodity we ALL NEED & with international Re-insurance arrangements the way they are, WHETHER IT IS A TYPHOON IN THE PHILIPPINES, A CYCLONE IN DARWIN OR QUEENSLAND OR HURRICANES IN NEW YORK, WE WILL ALL PAY BY WAY OF INCREASED INSURANCE COSTS!

Finally, whatever the final cost of lives in the Philippines &/or in Vietnam/China, MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH THE PEOPLES OF THOSE NATIONS!

In particular, however, my thoughts are with a Microsoft employee Ferdinand, who is based in the Philippines & who I spoke to on Thursday, regarding a problem with Email deliveries. Ferdinand was going to check it out & ring me back on Friday, but I have no yet heard back from him!

I hope he has come thru ok!

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial Reply #1 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 10:13pm Some talk of exaggerated meaurements....THE UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE STRIKES AGAIN OH LET US SLAP THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT ON THE WRISt AND SAY 'NAUGHTY'
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial Reply #2 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:19am I'm always taking a wide arc of them. They never meant anything to me.
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Reply #3 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:43am

The only ones who have lost touch with reality are the morons who think that because there's a hurricane there must be global warming.

I don't know how these weirdos take themselves seriously and also expect everyone else to.

Well, I've got news for these loons - hurricanes happen. They are a natural phenomenon. And they have been happening for countless hundreds of millions of years.

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Cofgod Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 693 Bolton, Great Britain Gender:	Re: Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial Reply #4 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:48am Amadd wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:19am: I'm always taking a wide arc of them. They never meant anything to me. I just hope the men in the white coats recapture you and your mate soon. Where is it you are from? Broadmoor, Rampton or Bedlam? You are Amadd, alright.
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Reply #5 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:50am

Cofgod wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:43am:

The only ones who have lost touch with reality are the morons who think that because there's a hurricane there must be global warming.

I don't know how these weirdos take themselves seriously and also expect everyone else to.

Well, I've got news for these loons - hurricanes happen. They are a natural phenomenon. And they have been happening for countless hundreds of millions of years.

x2

you have to wonder where the loops have been living as never to have seen natural events like hurricanes and storms...

under a rock perhaps?

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Reply #6 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:55am

True Blue... wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:50am:

Cofgod wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:43am:

The only ones who have lost touch with reality are the morons who think that because there's a hurricane there must be global warming.

I don't know how these weirdos take themselves seriously and also expect everyone else to.

Well, I've got news for these loons - hurricanes happen. They are a natural phenomenon. And they have been happening for countless hundreds of millions of years.

x2

you have to wonder where the loops have been living as never to have seen natural events like hurricanes and storms...

under a rock perhaps?

They've spent all their lives living in the loony bin. That's what it is. Let's hope these two escapees are recaptured soon.

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Reply #7 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 6:03am

What we know, is that this is the strongest storm to hit land, with winds gusting up to 380 kph.

Bigger and more frequent. There's no denying it.

A lot of people are getting confused with man made global warming

and

climate change

We can clearly see the effects of climate change over the last decade, but whether it is caused by man made global warming or not is another debate.

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Reply #8 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 7:08am

Cofgod wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:43am:

The only ones who have lost touch with reality are the morons who think that because there's a hurricane there must be global warming.

I don't know how these weirdos take themselves seriously and also expect everyone else to.

Well, I've got news for these loons - hurricanes happen. They are a natural phenomenon. And they have been happening for countless hundreds of millions of years.

Sure whatever you say Hillbillie. Your ignorance isn't working on anyone anymore except you. And even you sound like your trying to convince yourself.

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Reply #10 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 9:02am

It was rather funny, that last week channel 10 showed the movie "the day after tomorrow" about, basically, a climate change driven super storm causing mayhem.

One of the scenes was a shot from the space station showing the massive storm.

Fast forward a few days, and the biggest storm to hit landmass causes mayhem, and we see shots of it from space.

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Reply #11 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 9:13am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 9:02am:

It was rather funny, that last week channel 10 showed the movie "the day after tomorrow" about, basically, a climate change driven super storm causing mayhem.

One of the scenes was a shot from the space station showing the massive storm.

Fast forward a few days, and the biggest storm to hit landmass causes mayhem, and we see shots of it from space.

Oh you mean this movie??

"Jack Hall, paleoclimatologist for NORAD, must make a daring trek across America to reach his son, trapped in the cross-hairs of a sudden international storm which plunges the planet into a new Ice Age."

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Reply #12 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 10:01am

Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial

Typhoon Haiyan is the strongest recorded Typhoon we have ever recorded however we have only been recording since the 1900s, and although Typhoon Haiyan is the strongest recorded Typhoo we have accounts of Typhoon dating back to the 14 centory that killed and done much more damage than Typhoon Haiyan,

Also by looking at the table from Wiki:

we are having lest Super Typhoons, however more Typhoons (until recently where they have dropped), however we are getting lest Typhoons and most of them are lest Super Typhoons and Typhoons and more just tropical storms.

Indeed the most activity Typhoon season was in 1961 while least activity seen in the Pacific ocean was during the 2010 typhoon season. Within Guangdong in southern China, the most historically active decades for typhoon strikes were the 1660s and 1670s.

Although i believe in Climate Change i don't believe it to the same degree as others (as it seems to have evolved to a religion now days.)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

"Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial"

Who denies climate change?

Seriously, who? Undecided

Agreed, if its man made Climate Change you believe in then by 2010 we should all have been killed off due to extreme changes while if you belied climate Change isn't affect by man then we have some 14 million years before things start to get warmer/colder.

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Reply #13 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 10:52am

Pantheon wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial

Typhoon Haiyan is the strongest recorded Typhoon we have ever recorded however we have only been recording since the 1900s, and although Typhoon Haiyan is the strongest recorded Typhoo we have accounts of Typhoon dating back to the 14 centory that killed and done much more damage than Typhoon Haiyan,

Also by looking at the table from Wiki:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522019_662114913822409_35...

we are having lest Super Typhoons, however more Typhoons (until recently where they have dropped), however we are getting lest Typhoons and most of them are lest Super Typhoons and Typhoons and more just tropical storms.

Indeed the most activity Typhoon season was in 1961 while least activity seen in the Pacific ocean was during the 2010 typhoon season. Within Guangdong in southern China, the most historically active decades for typhoon strikes were the 1660s and 1670s.

Although i believe in Climate Change i don't believe it to the same degree as others (as it seems to have evolved to a religion now days.)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

"Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial"

Who denies climate change?

Seriously, who? Undecided

Agreed, if its man made Climate Change you believe in then by 2010 we should all have been killed off due to extreme changes while if you belied climate Change isn't affect by man then we have some 14 million years before things start to get warmer/colder.

Well more like less than 50,000 years..

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: Climate Change Denial is Reality Denial Reply #14 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:10am What crass opportunism.
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