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Re: Moronic Milne
Reply #30 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 7:34pm

Kat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 12:04pm:

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:21am:

The Greens are, rightly, on the edge of oblivion. They'll surely go the way of the Democrats soon.

you only need both major parties to put them last that is what they did to get rid of One Nation and The Democrats.

the be fair, one nation destroyed themselves by being moronic and incompetent while the Democrats self-immolated by abandoning the based and moving solidly to the left only to find that almost no one followed them there.

The Greens have been shown up as the clowns they always were. like every 3rd party that preceded them, they are on the way down.

Actually, it was because they sold-out to Howard.

Do tell the truth.

Yes Lees went into that election with 100% guarantee to oppose the GST and then swapped sides day 1 following the election.

Virtually 100% of their supporters believed that they had cast an iron clad guaranteed vote against the GST.

Most of the Democrats long term supporters never voted for them again.

Meg Lees sunk the Democrats and saved the Liberals with that one grubby deal.

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Re: Moronic Milne
Reply #31 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 7:34pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 12:04pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:21am:

The Greens are, rightly, on the edge of oblivion. They'll surely go the way of the Democrats soon.

you only need both major parties to put them last that is what they did to get rid of One Nation and The Democrats.

the be fair, one nation destroyed themselves by being moronic and incompetent while the Democrats self-immolated by abandoning the based and moving solidly to the left only to find that almost no one followed them there.

The Greens have been shown up as the clowns they always were. like every 3rd party that preceded them, they are on the way down.

Actually, it was because they sold-out to Howard.

Do tell the truth.

Yes Lees went into that election with 100% guarantee to oppose the GST and then swapped sides day 1 following the election.

Virtually 100% of their supporters believed that they had cast an iron clad guaranteed vote against the GST.

Most of the Democrats long term supporters never voted for them again.

Meg Lees sunk the Democrats and saved the Liberals with that one grubby deal.

This is correct. That's when I walked away from them, and why.

I was NOT alone...

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Re: Moronic Milne
Reply #32 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 9:24pm

Kat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 7:34pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 12:04pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 6:21am:

The Greens are, rightly, on the edge of oblivion. They'll surely go the way of the Democrats soon.

you only need both major parties to put them last that is what they did to get rid of One Nation and The Democrats.

the be fair, one nation destroyed themselves by being moronic and incompetent while the Democrats self-immolated by abandoning the based and moving solidly to the left only to find that almost no one followed them there.

The Greens have been shown up as the clowns they always were. like every 3rd party that preceded them, they are on the way down.

Actually, it was because they sold-out to Howard.

Do tell the truth.

Yes Lees went into that election with 100% guarantee to oppose the GST and then swapped sides day 1 following the election.

Virtually 100% of their supporters believed that they had cast an iron clad guaranteed vote against the GST.

Most of the Democrats long term supporters never voted for them again.

Meg Lees sunk the Democrats and saved the Liberals with that one grubby deal.

This is correct. That's when I walked away from them, and why.

I was NOT alone...

Where did you go to? The Greens like Bartlett where you always belonged?

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Re: Moronic Milne
Reply #33 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

Meg Lees and The Dems saved us from a GST on everything...

The Democrats under Lees, strengthened the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Act, improved the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, negotiated the GST tax reform and maintained the general oversight role of the Democrats in the Senate through a number of Senate inquiries. She brought the Dems back to the centre after the Kernot debacle and started "keeping the bastards honest" once again.

In 1999, Prime Minister John Howard (re)proposed a Goods and Services Tax. It was opposed by the Labor Party, the Australian Greens and independent Senator Brian Harradine, which meant that it required Democrat support to pass. In an election fought on tax, the Democrats publicly stated that they didn't like either; the Liberal (GST) tax package or the Labor package, but pledged to work with whichever party was elected to make their tax package better.

They campaigned with the slogan "No GST on food".

A majority of the senators in the party room agreed to pass the bill if some amendments were made, mostly to exclude fresh food and essential items such as basic medicines.

Stott Despoja was unhappy with the outcome, particularly the GST on books. Roll Eyes

Both Stott Despoja and Queensland Senator Andrew Bartlett crossed the floor, to vote against the GST package.

Some Democrat members were unhappy with the GST deal, and began to agitate for a change in leadership. These were the LEFT of the party. Under the Democrat constitution, a petition of 100 members could trigger a leadership ballot of all the members. On the initial ballot, Meg Lees was returned unchallenged.

Subsequently the Democrats faced a decline the polls... The members again had a leadership ballot and this time, Stott Despoja announced her intention to challenge Lees for the leadership, and was successful, replacing her on 6 April 2001. The rot continued.

In mid-2002, Lees began vocally opposing Stott Despoja's leadership, claiming that it had moved the party too far to the left. This unfortunately culminated in Lees leaving the party to sit as an independent.

The party was put last by both major parties and has never recovered since. Many LW members jumped ship and joined the Greens.

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