muso wrote on Nov 3
rd, 2013 at 7:58pm:
It's pretty obvious that Chimp and Ajax are the same poster.
I don't know how we can demonstrate that there are no socks on this board. We have very different views on nuclear power. I don't mind it in principle but I don't think it's financially viable. I'm neither pro nor anti although I support it over coal. I think # is opposed to nuclear and I'm not sure about Ajax.
Vuk takes a denialist stance on climate, but at least understands basic concepts and asks good questions. Ajax is very keen on conspiracy theories of all kinds and doesn't believe in Anthropogenic AGW for political/financial reasons.
I get very frustrated that people can't spot the obvious BS in denialist arguments.
How can I convince you Chimp?
You know muso for someone who lauds the scientific method you really do say some extraordinarily baseless things. How would you know that there are no socks on oz politics. They have programs with increasing sophistication that allow one person to open a multitude of accounts in different names without detection. Do you ever go on the Whirlpool forum. They refer to astroturfing as a constant problem. When Australia implemented carbon pricing it was a big loss for the denialists and the
huge fossil fuel interests around the world. It gave impetus to other countries to do the same and now that we are set to scrap it again there is a lot of financial incentive to win the population over to the denialist cause. Ozpolitics is just one of a number of forums where it would be ideal to spread their propaganda to the grass roots and they hope eventually to the rest of the country.
As to whether you muso are a sock, I'm inclined to think not. True Colours I don't know much about him/her and couldn't say. As for Ajax, I think the odds are really high that he is a plant. The guy comes here specifically to cut, paste and repeat the arguments from the denialists blogs without any apparent interest in actually debating the truth or otherwise of what he is saying. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that he floods the airwaves with his garbage in the hope that some unsuspecting innocents will be taken in by his garbage. Which brings us to Vuk. Although Im not as confident about him as I am about Ajax I would still say on balance that he too is a sock here on a mission to spread the denialist propaganda. I think the things I consider most damning with respect to Vuk are these: He is not a scientist; he tells us without any natural human hesitation that the real scientists in the field dont know what they're talking about; he accuses the expert scientists of having corrupt motives on nothing more then the "possibility" that someone in the scientists' position "might" be making global warming up to fund his/her individual projects and yet he, Vuk, freely ignores the fact that the blog sites that he is repeating arguments from and cutting and pasting from are backed by
huge financial interests in the fossil fuel industry. I'm talking Koch brothers here and their front men like the Heartland and Cato institutes etc. I think if Vuk was genuine he would ask himself as any basic human being would ask himself. What's at stake? The expert scientists are saying catastrophe for the human race and the planet. But says Vuk, I'm not a scientists, who am I to doubt what the scientists are saying, especially when so much is at risk. But instead what does this Vuk do. He spreads the denialist propaganda, happily cutting and pasting and repeating the latest arguments from denialists HQ without the slightest hesitation. No this guy IMO is not who he says he is and is here with his sock puppet mate Ajax to spread propaganda for their corporate masters.
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