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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #255 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:17pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:06pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

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No Chimp, right now, you're here to troll.

Consider this a warning.

First you refuse to respond to questions, then you vanish, then all of a sudden you are issuing threats of banishments

who are you really?

If you have something to say, then say it. If you have nothing to contribute, then say nothing.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #257 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 8:39pm

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:06pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

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I am here to learn from the best.
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No Chimp, right now, you're here to troll.

Consider this a warning.

First you refuse to respond to questions, then you vanish, then all of a sudden you are issuing threats of banishments

who are you really?

If you have something to say, then say it. If you have nothing to contribute, then say nothing.

This subject is a distraction from the topic.

You should be humble and grateful to muso for protecting your public honour in your terrible time of need.

muso put in a lot of time and energy - the very least you can do is provide an explanation as to why the glacial rate of sublimation isn't in equilibrium with the rate of deposition

OR PERHAPS IT IS IN EQUILIBRIUM!

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #258 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 9:29am Well this paper makes it difficult to come up with this paper Study: Greenland Ice Sheet was smaller 3000-5000 years ago than today http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/22/study-greenland-ice-sheet-was-smaller-3000...
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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #259 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:06pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 9:29am:

...wattsupwiththat.com...[/url]

The amateur who relies on denialist blogs is bound to be deceived.
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Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries

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Reply #260 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:15pm

Try -

"Amino acid ratios in reworked marine bivalve shells constrain Greenland Ice Sheet history during the Holocene

Jason P. Briner1,
Darrell S. Kaufman2,
Ole Bennike3 and
Matthew A. Kosnik4"

'Furthermore, the frequency of Asp-inferred bivalve ages from the three widely separated locations is nearly identical, with most ages between 5 and 3 ka, coinciding with optimum oceanic conditions. '

extract: .geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2013/11/21/G34843.1.abstract

with htt? at the front end. It is part of the abstract; the rest is behind a paywall. From the University of Buffalo.

It is interesting that the Koch Bros keep getting a mention. They also fund several universities, including Mann's current tenure. Not saying he is funded by them, just pointing to their wide interests.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #261 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:16pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 8:39pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:06pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

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I am here to learn from the best.
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No Chimp, right now, you're here to troll.

Consider this a warning.

First you refuse to respond to questions, then you vanish, then all of a sudden you are issuing threats of banishments

who are you really?

If you have something to say, then say it. If you have nothing to contribute, then say nothing.

This subject is a distraction from the topic.

... the very least you can do is provide an explanation as to why the glacial rate of sublimation ...

No, it isn't. You see, I don't claim to be a scientist. Any such attempt on my part would be dishonest.

You acknowledge, however, that glacial ice sublimes at atmospheric pressure. That, at least, is progress.

I merely pointed out what happens. You didn't deny it (and now acknowledge it), but affected to be nonplussed at not understanding it. To me, it's about as puzzling as laundry drying on a clothes line.

I you're really puzzled by the phenomenon, then you put yourself in the same league as lee; an amateur, failing to understand what they're not qualified to understand.

From my observation, you're not really puzzled at all. You're just saying what will get you attention. In other words, you're trolling.

It seems that muso judges otherwise. I'll bow to his superior experience.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #262 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:30pm

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Try -

"Amino acid ratios in reworked marine bivalve shells constrain Greenland Ice Sheet history during the Holocene
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Yes lee, and which of us is qualified to interpret?

That paper is generating a lot of hyperventilation in the denyosphere. I've no doubt you found it through some denier blog, which primed you with an interpretation that reinforces your beliefs.

For the record, the abstract is at http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2013/11/21/G34843.1.abstract. I'll wait for credible commentary.

Actually, I'll stick with the majority of the best qualified and avoid distraction by isolated studies. The forest, not the trees. Not that I have anything against trees.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #263 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:34pm

# wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 8:39pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:06pm:

# wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

...
I am here to learn from the best.
...

No Chimp, right now, you're here to troll.

Consider this a warning.

First you refuse to respond to questions, then you vanish, then all of a sudden you are issuing threats of banishments

who are you really?

If you have something to say, then say it. If you have nothing to contribute, then say nothing.

This subject is a distraction from the topic.

... the very least you can do is provide an explanation as to why the glacial rate of sublimation ...

No, it isn't. You see, I don't claim to be a scientist. Any such attempt on my part would be dishonest.

You acknowledge, however, that glacial ice sublimes at atmospheric pressure. That, at least, is progress.

I merely pointed out what happens. You didn't deny it (and now acknowledge it), but affected to be nonplussed at not understanding it. To me, it's about as puzzling as laundry drying on a clothes line.

I you're really puzzled by the phenomenon, then you put yourself in the same league as lee; an amateur, failing to understand what they're not qualified to understand.

From my observation, you're not really puzzled at all. You're just saying what will get you attention. In other words, you're trolling.

It seems that muso judges otherwise. I'll bow to his superior experience.

what is trolling?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21608 Gender:	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #264 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 4:34pm I await some other commentary. I don't say it is the truth; merely more research. I just love an open mind. Of course we all know the science is settled; Man knows everything already.
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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #265 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 4:49pm

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 4:34pm:

I await some other commentary. I don't say it is the truth; merely more research. I just love an open mind.

Of course we all know the science is settled; Man knows everything already.

science is never settled, always in a state of flux.

some scientific facts become robustly settled and have very high integrity inertia

Such as CO2 being classified as a greenhouse gas, or humans being responsible for an increase in CO2 concentration in the earths atmosphere.

Scientific Theories are sometimes interchangeable with scientific facts

An example of this is AGW - a very simple scientific fact that confirms that human activities are warming the planet.

Unsettled Science is fun

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #266 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 10:30am

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 4:34pm:

I await some other commentary. I don't say it is the truth; merely more research. I just love an open mind.

Of course we all know the science is settled; Man knows everything already.

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Science knows it doesn't know everything; otherwise, it'd stop. But just because science doesn't know everything doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.

Dara Ó Briain

As far as open minds, acknowledging my own ignorance, I take the broad view:-
Best qualified supporting consensus: ~97%;
Bodies of reputable scientists supporting consensus: 100% and
Level of confidence in consensus: 95-100%.

I haven't bothered with links; I don't have the time and anyone who's genuinely interested should have no difficulty finding sources. "Consensus" is, of course, shorthand for the views of the overwhelming majority.

As I've said before, your beliefs rely on either a conspiracy of improbable proportions or a similarly improbable level of ineptitude.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21608 Gender:	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #267 - Nov 26^th, 2013 at 4:39pm “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.” ― Richard P. Feynman For the views on consensus of Michael Crichton- goodreads.com/quotes/tag/scientific-method
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Reply #268 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 4:04pm

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 4:34pm:

I await some other commentary. I don't say it is the truth; merely more research. I just love an open mind.

You'll be awaiting a long time. My dog sometimes picks up rotten things and takes them to the door awaiting praise.

You'll find plenty of rotten things on Watts' site, but I'm not encouraging you in any way to fetch them and drop them here. There comes a point where the weight of lies makes you come to the conclusion that hey! It's not a reputable site.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #269 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:19pm I am totally with Muso and #. I am no scientist, never claim to be and don't bother too much with all this propaganda. I don't see the point , frankly. All I need to do is look and listen... ..open my senses , look at the real time events, .. and understand .. we are all in deep doodoo.
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