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Reply #105 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
I've watched a flock of geese flying through a coal fired station stack exhaust. Several birds dropped from the sky.
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Reply #106 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
There have been other studies but, the last I heard, none had passed peer review.


Here's a little concept you'd do well to consider 2 @ 3 #,  peer review isn't scientific methodology.

I know its a bit of a surprise, but its a whitewash like your usual consensus nonsense. Now take this substantiation and add an assertion.
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Reply #107 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
'Yes lee, I've seen all sorts of figures, many much larger than that. The truth is not likely to be found in whatever denialist blog directed you to that one.'

So the University of Colorado is now a part of the denialist web? Are you paranoid?

Is the data wrong? Just doesn't agree with your ideas? I thought new studies were always welcome in science? Or is that only if the agree with the current consensus?
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Reply #108 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 10:12am
 
Rider wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:04pm:
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Interesting! Can you substantiate that assertion?

lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:29pm:
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Is the data wrong? ... I thought new studies were always welcome in science? Or is that only if the agree with the current consensus?
Yes, new studies are welcome to be subjected to scrutiny.

Is the data wrong? I have no idea, hence the scrutiny.

Is the methodology valid? Once again, I have no idea. Hence the scrutiny.

Science isn't easy, that's why peer review  arose. Poor studies are less likely to pass the scrutiny of many skilled eyes.

That's also why the denyosphere dislikes peer review. Studies that produce the findings they want don't survive.
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Reply #109 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 12:56pm
 
Wind myths: Turbines kill birds and bats

The location and size of the turbine, or windfarm, is key

Leo Hickman      
theguardian.com, Monday 27 February 2012 20.00 AEST      

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Red kites fly past wind turbines. Photograph: Alamy

Studies (here, here and here) of windfarms built in California and Spain in the 1980s have shown an "excessive" number of fatalities among six raptor species, including eagles and vultures. The evidence suggests that poor planning and outmoded turbine design was largely responsible and the current thinking is that fewer, but much large turbines sited away from known migratory paths of birds can significantly decrease the risk of bird strikes.

Bats, despite their ability to use sonar to avoid moving objects, are susceptible to "'barotrauma", a sense of disorientation caused by the rapid change of air pressure created by a turbines rotating blade. An unexpectedly high number of bat fatalities have been recorded across the US and Europe over the past decade.

"A recent review of the problem put forward no less than 11 hypotheses as to what might be contributing to these [bat] fatalities," says the Centre of Sustainable Energy in Bristol in its publication Common Concerns About Wind Power. "Clearly, a great deal of research is still needed."

With regard to bird fatalities, it says: "Wind turbines represent an insignificant fraction of the total number of bird deaths caused by man-made objects or activities (eg building structures, transmission lines, and keeping domestic cats)." According to the CSE, for every bird killed by a turbine, 5,820, on average, are killed striking buildings, typically glass windows.

However, UK planning laws now mean that bat and bird assessments must be conducted as part of the application process. "If windfarms are located away from major migration routes and important feeding, breeding and roosting areas of those bird species known or suspected to be at risk, it is likely that they will have minimal impacts," says the RSPB. "We are involved in scrutinising hundreds of wind farm applications every year to determine their likely wildlife impacts, and we ultimately object to about 6% of those we engage with, because they threaten bird populations. Where developers are willing to adapt plans to reduce impacts to acceptable levels we withdraw our objections, in other cases we robustly oppose them."

It stresses, though, that there are "gaps in knowledge and understanding" of how turbines impact on bird and bat populations: "The environmental impact of operational windfarms needs to be monitored – and policies and practices need to be adaptable."
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Reply #110 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 1:24pm
 
Mike Barnard is an unashamed proponent of wind power but, as far as I can tells his blog post on the subject seems factual and it's well-referenced. The post is lengthy, so I'll just hit the high points.

How significant is bird and bat mortality due to wind turbines?


2013/02/15

Wind turbines are often criticized for killing birds and bats.  Fights against siting wind turbines in bird migration corridors or in bird habitat are frequent.  Highly inflammatory language is used by anti-wind energy advocates such as ‘bird mincer’, ‘bird blender’ and ’eagle killers’.  Outlandish numbers of deaths are often attributed to them.

How significant is the mortality of wind turbines upon birds and bats?

Short Answer:

Replacing all fossil fuel generation with wind turbines world wide could save roughly 70 million birds lives annually.  Bats are put at much more significant risk from fossil fuel and other human impacts than by wind turbines.  Displacement of fossil fuel generation makes wind a strong net benefit to birds and bats. Global warming and pollution are the threats; wind power is part of the solution, not a problem.

Long Answer:

Overall, wind energy has the least impact on wildlife of any form of energy generation with the possible exception of solar.

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What about birds specifically?

Birds are killed as a result of human impacts in large numbers every year. The biggest human-related causes of deaths annually are:
  • Lighted window impacts – 97 to 976 million
  • Predatory house cats – 500 million or more
  • High-tension wire impacts – up to 174 million or more
  • Pesticides – 72 million and possibly many more
  • Car impacts – 60 million

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Even these very large numbers are relatively small compared to the threat of habitat loss from acid rain from burning coal, open-pit mining for coal, mountain-top removal mining for coal and pollution.[9

These numbers are also very small compared to the 100-200 billion birds on the planet.   Adding all of the anthropogenic-impact causes of death above together might see 1.5 billion bird deaths, or 0.75% to 1.5% of the total.  Unfortunate, but not species threatening except in very specific circumstances.
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Here’s a Canadian specific visual for perspective. Cats kill 10,000 times the birds that wind farms do, house windows 1500 times the birds and pesticides 150 times the birds.
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This graph from the energy policy report that established relative bird deaths for nuclear, wind and fossil fuel is telling:  estimated world-wide avian mortalities in 2006.
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What about bats?

Bats are also killed by wind turbines, once again a few bats per turbine per year in areas where bats are common, but rarely if ever through direct collision. University of Calgary studies show that bats are very able to avoid moving wind turbine blades through echo-location. However, they suffer from barotrauma — a significant pressure difference that disrupts their hearts and lungs — when they fly close behind the blades.

Bat populations are not threatened by wind turbines. Bats are put at risk by many of the same things that put birds at risk: pesticides and habitat destruction among them.
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